Comments on: YS fallout continues…

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By: Greg

Greg — Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:17:54 +0000

Thanks so much for your response Matthew. I totally understand where you are coming from. I just think that how we deal with the Scriptures to define our stance on these issues is the biggest issue. I’m thrilled you liked my little Venti book. One of my neighbors already trusted in Christ from reading it and her atheist husband wants to talk. If that’s the only reason it got published it was worth it to me!

By: Matthew McNutt

Matthew McNutt — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:01:18 +0000

I feel like I might be sounding wishy washy here – which isn’t my intention. It feels like two different issues to me; YS is a publisher creating resources and hosting youth worker events – to me, they don’t need a defined opinion … especially when some of their resources deal with the subject (which implies where their stance is in the content of what they choose to publish). On the other hand, I absolutely agree with your stance as an evangelist and speaker – my reaction to homosexuals tends to be like yours in your story. It was kind of sad to me – one of the first questions the other contestants (later I found out they were the gay members of the cast, but everyone was listening in) wanted to know was my stance on this very issue. The church has been defined by it in many ways in the eyes of the world, and I told them point blank that I believe it is wrong, and that if someone was claiming to be a Christian in good relationship with God and also was a practicing homosexual, I would have to call them to accountability on that – however, I also explained to them that I don’t hold the world to that standard, that I believe someone who is not a Christian’s most urgent need is to know the Lord, not to be held to a bunch of standards they don’t even to claim to believe in. It actually opened the door to developing some really great friendships, out of which came some great conversations about God. All that to say, I think you and I are kind of similar for the most part.

Wow … this became waaaaay too long! I’m a lazy poster – I don’t like getting too long winded! And don’t worry, I won’t judge you for liking reality TV – if I hadn’t been such a junkie I would never have thought to apply! lol By the way, I enjoyed “Venti Jesus,” just finished reading it a couple days ago. : ) Thanks for the freebie!

By: Greg

Greg — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 01:44:19 +0000

Thanks Matthew. What can I say? I’m a sweaty kind of guy. I’m glad you enjoyed my sermon but I want to respond to what you commented. I think that the core issue is not YS or their stance on homosexuality but how one views the Scriptures. Do we view them as inspired, reliable and all “red letters” (if the Spirit of Jesus inspired St. Paul’s letters then wouldn’t Paul’s written epistles be red letters too?) Do we view them to be interpreted literally or by the whims of culture or personal preferences? My bigger concern is that the same hermeneutical philosophy that dismisses homosexuality from the sin to the “non issue” category will eventually dismiss the Trinity, salvation by faith and other core issues as non essential as well. I’m just concerned about snow boarding on the slipery slope in the ‘it doesn’t matter’ mountain range, especially when it comes to issues that the Bible is clear on.

On a totally different subject, I’m a huge Biggest Loser fan! My wife and I watch it as often as we can. Between that and Amazing Race we get our full reality series fix. Oops…is that a sin?

By: Matthew McNutt

Matthew McNutt — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:12:21 +0000

My impression of YS is that it’s not that they’re okay with homosexuality, or making a stance in their ‘non-stance’ – it’s that that is not the issue they are called to be dealing with. Look at the reaction to Greg’s message … it wasn’t even the message he was giving and yet, for some in the room, that’s all they heard! It was a great message (I was in the front row … I almost got sweat on me – dude, you can’t stand still! Love the energy!) with a few sentences dealing with homosexuality – and in fact, I thought in his story he was modeling a very Christ like stance (as opposed to the Christians in his story that were hating the lesbians) … and yet, for those who want to make this an issue, that’s all you were talking about. So I guess I’m saying, I think YS’s stance is that this is not the fight they are called to fight right now … in fact, they have resources dealing with this topic that they do sell, but they don’t necessarily make a public statement because then it would just be a constant fight about that instead of a passion to support youth workers and provide youth ministry resources.

By: Name

Name — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:53:01 +0000

’sheer’ not ’shear’

By: Name

Name — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:52:25 +0000

Do you get more credit in heaven for the shear number of people you say “homosexuality is a sin” in front of? It seems like that’s what most youth leaders believe anymore. Kids know that’s what the Bible says. They need to start a dialog that doesn’t just keep repeating that phrase over and over, but gives them hope that even homosexuals can become believers. We as believers all live with sin in our lives until the day we die. Why is it so hard to accept that gay people may still be gay after they become saved? We can’t sort that out for them. Every gay person I’ve ever met knows the Bible says homosexuality is a sin. We don’t need to keep throwing that in their faces if we want them to start to see who Jesus is. He spent time with those he knew were sinners, but never pointed his finger in judgement. He judged the churchgoers more publicly than the sinners.