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1. On November 7, 2007 @ 6:59 pm Dan Read said:

   • Hey Greg. Thanks for giving a recap of your talk on Marko’s blog. I wasn’t at that conference but I agree with you. I don’t see enough of us Youth Leaders going to the bible for our answers. I also see to many people getting caught up in the whole “conservative/liberal/evangelical/charismatic” debat as oppossed to dealing with “what does the bible say?” or after pushing my worldly views aside and praying “What is the truth?” Thank you for what you said. Thanks for putting your views out there and not ignoring the ‘lions den’ so to speak! God bless.

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2. On November 7, 2007 @ 9:30 pm Brian said:

   • Kim and I are praying for you Greg. You are setting an example for all us. God is giving you a humble and loving spirit through this “fallout.” Keep up the great work and stay encouraged.

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3. On November 7, 2007 @ 9:37 pm Becky said:

   • Praying for you!

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4. On November 8, 2007 @ 1:06 am jo-e said:

   • greg, let me just begin by saying WOW. i was at ys this weekend for one day for one reason, sunday, to hear you speak. i go to a little church with less than 100 people that go every sunday. i was raised in an alcoholic environment with catholic influences when i did go to church. watching the GOSPEL journey in “monday school”, as we call it, was the most powerful experience for me. it challenged me to figure out what God made me for. i was MOVED by your words then and i was moved by your words sunday night. i understood that bridge you spoke of and i thought you were passionate about what you spoke on. and i thought you were funny and you inspired me to go help these kids who are just like i was, LOST. thank you for walking with our “Daddy” in such a way that even a dip like me can see it, thank you for caring about those like who i once was. thank you for meeting us after, AND GETTING YOUR PICTURE WITH US. WHOA. God blessed your message to my heart and i just thought you should know that you lit a fire in me, well God inspired you to inspire me. keep on ranting and ravin man, most of these kids are just like me and well i get it and now i got it and everyday im learnin how/where/when to use it.

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5. On November 8, 2007 @ 6:12 am Ed said:

   • Hi Greg,

     I’ve just read through all the noise on the http://www.ysmarko.com/?p=2136 website.
     I posted a question, asking if there was a video of the talk. Perhaps you would have one?

     All the best,

     ED.

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6. On November 8, 2007 @ 6:59 am Greg Stier said:

   • Hey Ed, I don’t have a video of the talk. I think that YS sells DVD’s or downloads of it or something. I bet you could get it through the YS website or by calling them. Good luck!

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7. On November 8, 2007 @ 8:18 am tim hower said:

   • Ys is selling recordings at- http://www.ysmp3andcddvd.com/

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8. On November 8, 2007 @ 9:15 am matt said:

   • Greg,

     I wasn’t at the YS conference, so I suppose I don’t have a right to comment. I will anyway!! You can’t go wrong when you go with what the Bible says! “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction for instruction in righteousness.” (II Tim. 3:16) “For prophecy never came by the will of man, but by the holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.” (II Pet. 1:21) If we can’t hold to what the Bible says whats the point? Keep up the exegesis!

     By Grace,

     Matt

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9. On November 8, 2007 @ 10:34 am Scott Eaton said:

   • Hey Greg,

     As I consider this situation I cannot help but think of the words of the apostle Paul to the Galatians: “Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth?” It is very concerning to me that so many who call themselves followers of Christ are turning from the simple truth of the cross of Christ? Since when did this become a fundamentalist doctrine? When did the cross become controversial?

     Well, I guess the gospel that declares the forgiveness of sin through the death of Jesus on a bloodied cross and his subsequent resurrection from the dead has always been controversial, hasn’t it? So you are in good company my friend.

     I thought your response on Marko’s blog was well done. Keep up the good fight!

     Scott

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10. On November 8, 2007 @ 12:18 pm paul said:

    • It is ironic that last year at NYWC Charlotte Tony Campolo made the same ‘I believe homosexuality is a sin but i love those who practice it’ comments but, to my knowledge anyway, there wasn’t near the fallout or controversy, if any.

      For what it’s worth, Greg, being in attendance on Sunday, the Holy Spirit convicted me by your ‘is Jesus your embarrassing friend?’ talk and i appreciate you being willing to take hits for the sake of the Gospel being preached and Christ-followers being united. Being exposed to your ministry and the 30 core Truths of the Bible has been transforming the youth ministry in the tiny part of the Kingdom of God i am Blessed to be a part of.

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11. On November 8, 2007 @ 1:32 pm Eddie said:

    • It sounds to me like you tossed over a few tables in someone’s temple and they’re a little upset about it. Who knew keeping Christ in Christian was so controversial huh? Especially at a Christian conference.

      I believe the lesbian comment issue is a front for the bigger issue of inactive cross-centered focus or quite possibly a confused belief on the gospel. The comment about us all being sinners bound for hell without Christ as being guilt ridden rather than scripturally driven speaks volumes to the understanding of salvation.

      Keep your head up bro, just glance over the opposing comments and notice how many are based on scripture or even mention scripture. It’s always bothered me how many Christians claim Jesus but not Christ. Jesus as a historical figure and life changer isnt controversial… Jesus as Christ who was crucified for OUR sins is rather explosive.

      I think what God did through you was a great thing. You shattered a complacent, guilt free, sin blind, self absorbed, self important, Christ-less and cross-less Christianity mindset that some are now feeling convicted to the point of rage. Although the YS blog still hasnt connected with the point of your message, this could be the most that many at the conference ever talked or thought about the cross. I’ll bet the Apostle Paul had many similar incidents.

      I’m encouraged by your stand and I’m prayin for ya,
      Eddie

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12. On November 8, 2007 @ 2:45 pm Ed said:

    • Thanks, Greg and Tim.

      ED.

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13. On November 8, 2007 @ 5:28 pm chris said:

    • Greg I really appreciate your humility in all of this. I have never been to a Dare 2 Share (my first will be this weekend in Denver!! SO PUMPED!!) I have read some of your books and we are currently taking the Gospel Journey with our students in our ministry. What you guys do is so stinking awesome. The thing I like though is how focussed you are at making Jesus the center of everything you do. Man keep on striving and thriving for Jesus. Maybe we can “bump” into each other sometime. I would definitely just love to sit over coffee sometime and just pick your brain.

      Thank you for serving a Savior is the source of Truth.

      Chris

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14. On November 8, 2007 @ 7:36 pm gabe said:

    • I didn’t read the whole deal, but thank you for your stand on Gay relationships. It’s a problem and too many people are fooled. keep to the word of GOD and not the word of man. Thank you for dare 2 share last year, it was great, but i don’t think im going to make it this year. last year was my first year and it was totaly awesome! I will be praying for your ministry.
      -gabe

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15. On November 8, 2007 @ 8:53 pm Mike Conner said:

    • Hey Greg,
      Just read through the posts about your talk. I wasn’t there, but it seems that the truth is still making people uncomfortable. I have nothing against anyone and share your pure love of the Gospel alone is what we and the entire world needs. Keep bringing the truth!!!

      Mike C

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16. On November 8, 2007 @ 10:07 pm robmille said:

    • I was @ the talk, and I have no idea how someone could’ve walked away from that focused on anything but the cross. God bless you, and thanks for reminding me to preach the cross more both in youth ministry & life.

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17. On November 8, 2007 @ 10:51 pm Reflections on the National Youth Workers Convention » JakeBouma.com said:

    • [...] As a side note, I wasn’t the only one who had problems with Greg Stier’s talk. In fact, it’s kind of “blown up” in the blogosphere. If you’re interested, check out Marko’s email conversation with someone who was extremely offended and be sure to read all of the comments, where the speaker himself even gets involved. Greg has a post on his own blog as well called YS fallout continues. [...]

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18. On November 9, 2007 @ 11:07 am jerry said:

    • Greg,
      thank you for your stand. I don’t really know what all the “beef” is about your comments. I felt you stood up for the Gospel, not YS and not Greg Stier. Thank you for your courage to stand when so many of us today insist on letting Jesus be our “embarrasing little friend.” I promply downloaded your talk when I got home because I needed to hear it again, and then again, and then sometime again….

      keep praying, seeking and serving.

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19. On November 9, 2007 @ 12:20 pm Chuck said:

    • Greg,

      I was there when you spoke at the STL YS conference. I got your point when you told the lesbian story – it’s unfortunate others didn’t and were bunny-trailed into the gay/straight debate.

      Gay or straight, we all need Christ’s sacrifice. I believe homosexuality is a sin defined by God in scripture, but Christ died for those emersed in the lifestyle like he did for the junk I get myself into.

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20. On November 10, 2007 @ 2:19 pm Richard said:

    • Greg,

      I attended the STL YS conference and was proud to hear what you had to say! To often Youth Workers forget why we are just that Youth Workers. CHRIST! To many of us are preaching our ideas and theories and not relying on the Gospel as our inspiration for our teachings (by Gospel i do mean the whole Bible). The Bible is very clear in God’s position on homosexuality, sexual immorality , and sin in general. For you to stand in a room filled with people who you know aren’t going to see with you eye to eye and not preach your opinion but straight Bible is awesome and isn’t done enough today. We hear watered down messages filled with feel good applications way to much today and people need to realize that Jesus himself rebuked people and walked with sinners for a reason…WE ALL NEED HIM and he DIED FOR US ALL and without him we have hope for nothing and are going to HELL. When we lose teaching Jesus Christ and Him Crucified as our main focus and driving force in our ministry i hate to see what is put in place of Christ and where the teaching for that comes from. I would be proud to be put in the same category of ministry as you.

      Your brotha from anotha motha,
      Richard Alonzo

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21. On November 10, 2007 @ 2:35 pm Chris Davis said:

    • Hey Greg.

      I wasn’t at YS, but I’ve read through all the responses and posts. It’s a bummer that your example has flared people up. Maybe you should have used a less-controversial sin… like omission… for all of those youth pastor’s out there that don’t pray. Maybe that would have gotten an even better response.

      My example obviously has nothing to do with your message or the matter at hand… it just bugs me where the American Church has gotten it’s self to.

      As the other peeps on here have said… we all need Jesus… and we all need to simply take Him at His Word!

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22. On November 11, 2007 @ 4:36 pm Don said:

    • It scares me to think that some Christians have become so involved in this world that telling the truth within the Bible has become offensive to them. Continue preach the Bible, and never allow your critics to edit what God has given you to speak.

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23. On November 15, 2007 @ 8:52 am Karin said:

    • Greg,

      Thank you for not being afraid to take a stand for truth and to call sin, sin. I am a youth ministry leader and a mother of a homosexual son. I love my son dearly, and because I love him, and the Lord Jesus Christ, I must stand firm on the Word of God and continue to lovingly communicate to him that the homosexual lifesyle is sin. Standing flat footed on the Word and speaking of sin and judgement is a hard thing to do these days because everywhere we turn, we face hostility from the world, as well as from the “church”.

      I appreciate your stand and love Dare2Share because of your commitment to truth and boldness for the Lord. I have brought kids from my youth group to D2S 2 years in a row now, and they love it and love you! I tell our congregation that the reason I love D2S is that I can be confident that I can bring our youth to it and the same truths we have been preaching and teaching them all year will be reinforced.

      Bro. Greg, please don’t bend under the pressure. Hang tough. It will probably only get worse. Remember that the godly will suffer persecution, but your reward will be great! We are truly living in the last days!

      Your Sis. in Christ
      Karin

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24. On November 15, 2007 @ 9:50 am David said:

    • Greg,

      I was not at the convention and did not get to hear your talk. But from what I hear about it, you are right on. It concerns me that so many youth leaders (that are leading our youth) are questioning the infallibility of scripture (referring to many posts on Marko’s blog). Greg, you have been a blessing to our youth ministry and I am looking forward to this years Dare 2 Share conference. Keep pointing people to Jesus. See you in Columbus.

      David

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25. On November 15, 2007 @ 11:32 am Zach said:

    • Greg,

      I thought you did a great job in St. Louis. I love you and thank you. I am concerned though that perhaps YS is going a direction that I can’t follow. If many on their staff, those who are writing cirriculum are defending the homosexual lifestyle, can I truly follow that??? I know more homosexuals that most can imagine and have loved everyone of them and still do. In love, I have shared Scripture with many of them. I do not hate homosexuals and know that they are in need of a savior in EXACTLY the same way that I am. That being said to openly support the homosexual lifestyle in against the Word of God. I’m curious about YS’s direction. I do not expect you to “slam” them or anything like that, but do you have any positive thoughts concerning this?

      Zach

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26. On November 15, 2007 @ 2:22 pm Greg said:

    • Hey Zach,

      Thanks for your comment. Yeah, I’m not sure where they are at either. It seems like their official stance is a non stance. But it also seems like a non stance is a stance. On the other side I have never personally heard anyone directly support a homosexual lifestyle from a YS pulpit, er, music stand. I’m not a gay hater either. They, like me, are merely sinners in need of God’s grace. But it’s really difficult to read the Scriptures honestly without facing the reality that God considers homosexuality a sin. It seems to me that this, at its core,is a matter of how ones views the Scriptures (infallible and inspired or generally reliable and mostly from God) and how one intreprets them. I can’t read Romans 1 and walk away thinking anything else other than homosexual sex is sin. I honestly don’t know how anyone could.

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27. On November 16, 2007 @ 9:52 am Name said:

    • Do you get more credit in heaven for the shear number of people you say “homosexuality is a sin” in front of? It seems like that’s what most youth leaders believe anymore. Kids know that’s what the Bible says. They need to start a dialog that doesn’t just keep repeating that phrase over and over, but gives them hope that even homosexuals can become believers. We as believers all live with sin in our lives until the day we die. Why is it so hard to accept that gay people may still be gay after they become saved? We can’t sort that out for them. Every gay person I’ve ever met knows the Bible says homosexuality is a sin. We don’t need to keep throwing that in their faces if we want them to start to see who Jesus is. He spent time with those he knew were sinners, but never pointed his finger in judgement. He judged the churchgoers more publicly than the sinners.

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28. On November 16, 2007 @ 9:53 am Name said:

    • ’sheer’ not ’shear’

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29. On November 20, 2007 @ 4:12 pm Matthew McNutt said:

    • My impression of YS is that it’s not that they’re okay with homosexuality, or making a stance in their ‘non-stance’ – it’s that that is not the issue they are called to be dealing with. Look at the reaction to Greg’s message … it wasn’t even the message he was giving and yet, for some in the room, that’s all they heard! It was a great message (I was in the front row … I almost got sweat on me – dude, you can’t stand still! Love the energy!) with a few sentences dealing with homosexuality – and in fact, I thought in his story he was modeling a very Christ like stance (as opposed to the Christians in his story that were hating the lesbians) … and yet, for those who want to make this an issue, that’s all you were talking about. So I guess I’m saying, I think YS’s stance is that this is not the fight they are called to fight right now … in fact, they have resources dealing with this topic that they do sell, but they don’t necessarily make a public statement because then it would just be a constant fight about that instead of a passion to support youth workers and provide youth ministry resources.

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30. On November 20, 2007 @ 7:44 pm Greg said:

    • Thanks Matthew. What can I say? I’m a sweaty kind of guy. I’m glad you enjoyed my sermon but I want to respond to what you commented. I think that the core issue is not YS or their stance on homosexuality but how one views the Scriptures. Do we view them as inspired, reliable and all “red letters” (if the Spirit of Jesus inspired St. Paul’s letters then wouldn’t Paul’s written epistles be red letters too?) Do we view them to be interpreted literally or by the whims of culture or personal preferences? My bigger concern is that the same hermeneutical philosophy that dismisses homosexuality from the sin to the “non issue” category will eventually dismiss the Trinity, salvation by faith and other core issues as non essential as well. I’m just concerned about snow boarding on the slipery slope in the ‘it doesn’t matter’ mountain range, especially when it comes to issues that the Bible is clear on.

      On a totally different subject, I’m a huge Biggest Loser fan! My wife and I watch it as often as we can. Between that and Amazing Race we get our full reality series fix. Oops…is that a sin?

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31. On November 21, 2007 @ 5:01 pm Matthew McNutt said:

    • I feel like I might be sounding wishy washy here – which isn’t my intention. It feels like two different issues to me; YS is a publisher creating resources and hosting youth worker events – to me, they don’t need a defined opinion … especially when some of their resources deal with the subject (which implies where their stance is in the content of what they choose to publish). On the other hand, I absolutely agree with your stance as an evangelist and speaker – my reaction to homosexuals tends to be like yours in your story. It was kind of sad to me – one of the first questions the other contestants (later I found out they were the gay members of the cast, but everyone was listening in) wanted to know was my stance on this very issue. The church has been defined by it in many ways in the eyes of the world, and I told them point blank that I believe it is wrong, and that if someone was claiming to be a Christian in good relationship with God and also was a practicing homosexual, I would have to call them to accountability on that – however, I also explained to them that I don’t hold the world to that standard, that I believe someone who is not a Christian’s most urgent need is to know the Lord, not to be held to a bunch of standards they don’t even to claim to believe in. It actually opened the door to developing some really great friendships, out of which came some great conversations about God. All that to say, I think you and I are kind of similar for the most part.

      Wow … this became waaaaay too long! I’m a lazy poster – I don’t like getting too long winded! And don’t worry, I won’t judge you for liking reality TV – if I hadn’t been such a junkie I would never have thought to apply! lol By the way, I enjoyed “Venti Jesus,” just finished reading it a couple days ago. : ) Thanks for the freebie!

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32. On November 22, 2007 @ 9:17 am Greg said:

    • Thanks so much for your response Matthew. I totally understand where you are coming from. I just think that how we deal with the Scriptures to define our stance on these issues is the biggest issue. I’m thrilled you liked my little Venti book. One of my neighbors already trusted in Christ from reading it and her atheist husband wants to talk. If that’s the only reason it got published it was worth it to me!

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