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    Why the world is not reached for Christ yet

    Posted on Saturday 5 January 2008 by Greg @ 12:08 pm
    Filed under: Rants

    With over 350,000 Protestant churches in America alone and millions more spread across the globe one question plagues me day and night…why isn’t the world reached for Christ yet? As I’ve thought about it I’ve come up with a short list. Agree or disagree I want you to think about these and add your two cents.

    1. The church (especially in America) spends a disproportionate amount of money on buildings, staffing and internal programs.

    Meanwhile the people in the community around them continue to die and go to hell. Sorry to be so blunt but I think that the average church is CLUELESS to the deepest spiritual needs of those who live in their own backyard. Divorce rates are soaring, depression is an epidemic and families are more stretched financially than ever. What is the best solution to these challenges? A personal relationship with Jesus! He can give these families the hope they need to endure the trials of this life as they rivet their eyes to the joys of eternal life with Jesus in the next.

    The average church is so focused on buildings, staffing and programs for their own people that it creates a culture of consumerism that puts the focus of the church on the church. “What do our people want? What kinds of Bible studies appeal to them? How can we make life, attending church and congregational life more appealing to our people?” blah, blah, blah….

    I’m not saying that these questions shouldn’t be asked and answered. What I’m saying is that these are not the most important questions. To build the kind of church that truly makes a difference we must help our people realize that it’s not all about them. Churches that don’t get hit while crossing the street of true effectiveness don’t look both ways they look three. They look upwardly to God (worship), inwardly to serving the needs of the body (servanthood and the use of spiritual gifts) and outwardly to reach the community for Christ (evangelism, outreach, etc.)

    2. The gospel that is being preached tends to be anything but.

    The word gospel means “good news”. It’s the good news that salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone and not by good works. But many who preach the “gospel” today are adding all sorts of pre-conditions. Think about some of the add ons many Christians tag on to the simple message of Jesus:

    “Just say this prayer…”

    “Just walk this aisle…”

    “Sure it’s by faith alone but you also must get baptized”

    “Sure it’s by faith alone but you also must __________” (you fill in the blank)

    “Turn from all your sin and then come to Jesus” (isn’t it the other way around and isn’t he the one who turns us from it?)

    The “To do list” goes on and on and on. Meanwhile the gospel we are presenting is no different than the stairway to heaven approach that every other religion requires for post earth happiness. I’m sick of the Pharisees who, while claiming to preach a sola fide message (aka “faith alone”) challenge all of us to swallow the camel of good works for salvation while they can’t even strain out a gnat of actual righteousness. The challenge with this approach is that it is wrong. It is heresy. There’s a whole book of the New Testament dedicated to those who added one thing (circumcision) to the faith alone message. The message of Galatians is as relevant today as ever.

    Here’s something to think about.

    If the gospel we present focuses more on what we do instead of all that Christ has done it is no gospel at all.

    If the gospel we present centers around our actions instead of Christ glorious action of self sacrifice then it is no gospel at all.

    If the gospel we present revolves around us turning, trying, surrendering and forsaking instead of receiving the free gift of Jesus, who surrendered and forsook everything for us, then it is no gospel at all.

    When you think about it it’s not all that complicated. We are sinners. There’s nothing we can do to erase that sin. So Jesus died for our sins. If we trust in him alone, apart from our good works, our sins are forgiven and we receive the gift of eternal life (Ephesians 2:8,9). Then we can do the good works that he foreordained for us to do (Ephesians 2:10), not to earn salvation but in response to the free gift he has so graciously given us.

    If we really want to see the world reached with the gospel then we must preach the real, unadulterated gospel. For more on this unadulterated message of pure good news check out the book of Galatians. It’s a short powerful read.

    3. The church is not focusing on reaching the most spiritually receptive demographics.

    Who are the most open to the gospel? Those under the age of 18 and the poor! Who do most churches focus on reaching? Those older than 18 and the rich (or at least middle class and up!)

    You’ve heard the statistics I’m sure that the vast majority of those who come to Christ do it before they are 18 years of age. And we know from 1 Corinthians 1:19-26 that the poor are much more open to the gospel than the rich. So why do so many churches focus elsewhere? In my opinion it is because that’s where the potential big time “tithers” are.

    If we were in the business world selling a product we would focus the majority of our efforts and money on getting the most receptive demographic to buy our product. But, in the church, we tend to spend the majority of our manpower and money on getting the least receptive audience to “buy our product.”

    As the President of Dare 2 Share Ministries that focuses on training teenagers to transform their friends for Jesus I’m always reminding adults of this crucial reality. Youth ministry and children’s ministry is where the action is. They may not be big time “tithers” or whatever yet but they are the most open demographic to the gospel.

    We must recalibrate our ministries around reaching the most receptive audiences. The young and the poor.

    4. It’s my fault.

    At the end of the day I don’t blame misguided programs, distracted pastors or misappropriated budgets of the church for not reaching the world, I blame myself. I need to reach my own world, my own neighborhood, my own community for Jesus. Yes I’m trying but I’m not trying hard enough.

    By God’s grace let’s all take responsibility for the Great Commission. If we all reached our own “Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria” then “the uttermost parts of the world” would be reached as well.

    People need the grace, forgiveness and hope that only Jesus can ultimately give them. We have been designated by Jesus himself as the heralds of this good news. Let’s proclaim it with love, humility and boldness to everyone in our sphere of influence.

    Together, in the power of the Spirit, we can reach this world for Jesus with the good news of Jesus. Let’s start today!

    Signed, Greg Stier
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    40 Comments for 'Why the world is not reached for Christ yet'

    1. On January 5, 2008 @ 3:49 pm Greg Johnson said:
      • Greg,

        You are right on! Great post! As we minister at the point of need (like Jesus showed us), we will impact our cities for Jesus. We need to get back to His ministry model. It works!

        I tried for 15 years to pastor existing churches to do the Jesus “point of need” model to no avail so I started LGF two years ago in the capitol of the most unchurched state in the nation.

        Check out the model we are trying to live and lead people in at http://www.lovinggodfellowship.org/ministry_model .

        It starts with us brother!

        Know that you are loved,
        gaj

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    2. On January 5, 2008 @ 6:24 pm Becky said:
      • Greg,
        You are so right about this.

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    3. On January 6, 2008 @ 8:20 pm justin hanneken said:
      • Reason # 5. Too many Christians, for too long, have been saying “Sorry to be so blunt…”

        Greg, I love you to death. But, tell me, when does the Holy Spirit make apologies? Never. When did Jesus say, “here’s the Truth, and I’m sorry about it” When did Paul, the great Apostle, ever ask people for forgiveness for telling them the Truth? Never. The Church apologizes too much for a MESSAGE THAT NEEDS NO APOLOGY. Greg, you said it yourself later in your post: “If we really want to see the world reached with the gospel then we must preach the real, unadulterated gospel.” – not biblical pacificism (sp?) which eventually leads to a watered down message.

        I believe the Glory of God is the thing that sustains students past youth group. Students that leave Jesus after High School (many) have not seen the true Glory of God – and I agree with you on #4 especially, this is often the fault of the youth pastors, partly part of the parents. Show a saved student the glory of God continuously manifested, and they will not depart from Him. Also, someone said this at YS in Atlanta (might have been Yac, I dunno) – “Parents want their students to believe in Jesus, they don’t want them to follow Him. Why? Because following Jesus is dangerous, it could lead to Death.” So true.

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    4. On January 6, 2008 @ 9:19 pm I just found this so great, I had to ping away « The Live Wire said:
      • [...] He posted a blog recently (yesterday), which I just found to resound with my own heart so much, I wanted to put it here for you to read. I’ll copy and paste the part that I wanted to shout aloud at, but I SERIOUSLY encourage you to read the entire thing. It will challenge you and maybe even upset you. But as I tell my youth, at least you are feeling something. At least you are identifying and working through these issues in your own heart. And these are definitely things we should be thinking about and working through. So, if you have a minute (it won’t take very long to read the whole thing), then go read his blog HERE: http://www.gregstier.org/rants/why-the-world-is-not-reached-for-christ-yet. [...]

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    5. On January 7, 2008 @ 10:36 pm Mike Chipman said:
      • Greg,

        Thanks for these words. I am leaving a church because of these (among other) reasons. I am a youth pastor who has finally been hit with the urgency of the gospel and the need to see people come to Christ. Not people in the darkest corner of the world(yes, I want them to know Jesus too) but the people across the street in the projects and the Mexican community next door to our church. I want to be someplace where St. Francis of Assisi of no longer quoted. “Preach the gospel, sometimes use words” is a plan that ensures people continue to go to hell at a rapid rate.

        Anyway, I’m moving to a church that embraces the gospel of Jesus and wants to see it preached to its neighbors. I’m excited about the prospect and I want to thank you for your continued influence over people like myself. Thanks for all you do.

        Mike Chipman

        PS – Love the podcast.

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    6. On January 8, 2008 @ 2:54 pm Will Bratina said:
      • Dude…..
        You just desribed my church….and me…
        Thanks… and keep listening to His Voice and speaking for Christ’s Kingdom. – Will

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    7. On January 9, 2008 @ 10:22 am Adam said:
      • Hey Greg, good post. Thought provoking as always.

        I’m with you in thinking many times churches see the gospel as a watered down self help feel good programs, and not the death and resurrection of the son of God for our sins. The programs are the means to the end, not the end in themselves.

        However, didn’t Jesus also say “If you love me you will follow my commands?” Or “He who hears my words and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock”? Jesus clearly holds word and deed as simultaneously important.

        I fear that we can also be too reliant on “preaching” and not enough on “living”. I believe whats pharisaic is saying the right things but not living the right things: “These people acknowledge me with their lips but their hearts are far from me”.

        I don’t think the message needs an apology, but the behavior of Christian’s throughout the centuries DOES. And, like Greg, I want to start with myself. But being all militant about presenting a message will hardly be received without the actualization in the lives of those who profess to believe it.

        I’d love to see you quote Jesus as much as you quote Paul in your curriculum.

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    8. On January 9, 2008 @ 10:33 am Adam said:
      • Ya know, I don’t want to come on the blog and just be a hater all the time. I just see all the positive comments, and want to spice things up a little bit. I respect Greg so much because he’s built his life around following God’s call. Lots of people can critique lots of things, but Greg is one who backs it up with his actions.

        (hhhhmmmm….I didn’t mean to be so self serving but I guess thats a redux of my first comment!)

        Keep up the good work Greg.

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    9. On January 10, 2008 @ 1:36 am Greg said:
      • Thanks Adam. I love the words of Jesus. But I believe the bible is all red letters becuase the Spirit of God inspired both the words of Jesus (as spoken by Jesus) and the words of Jesus (as written by Paul!) I’m doing A LOT of teaching on the gospels this week as we are doing GOSPEL Journey Maui with seven different world views. Thanks for your encouragement in the redux!

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    10. On January 10, 2008 @ 9:35 am Steve said:
      • Faith only?

        Is it adding stuff when you look at what the new testament time folks asked believers to do and you ask the same thing of believers today?

        As I read the new testament I come a way with an understanding the every new testament believer was a baptized believer (Starting at Pentecost). I also see other things being asked of the believers before they were considered to be “of the way” or Christians, things like FAITH, REPENTANCE, CONFESSION, along with BAPTISM. All these things were asked of people before they were considered followers of Christ.

        Yes I believe we are saved only by the grace of God, but I believe we must accept that grace and what that looks like is where we get hung up. Here are some words from GOD that might help.

        Jesus said in Mark 16:16 (NIV)
        16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

        Acts 2:37-39 (NIV)
        37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
        38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

        Romans 10:9-10 (NIV)
        9 That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

        Acts 22:16 (NIV)
        16 And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’

        Romans 6:2-4 (NIV)
        2 By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

        1 Peter 3:20-22 (NIV)
        20 who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.

        Acts 2:21 (NIV)
        21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

        Matthew 7:21 (NIV)
        21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

        So What Should we do?

        Matthew 28 19-20 (NIV)
        19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

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    11. On January 11, 2008 @ 12:46 am Greg Stier said:
      • Wow Steve, that’s a lot of verses. I appreciate your passion for your beliefs. I know of Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons who would agree with you in the works based approach to salvation you are supporting (whether you realize it or not). But the book of John which has the command to “believe” 98x’s and doesn’t even allude to any add ons was written to unbelievers (John 20:31). I guess John preached an incomplete gospel too huh? If baptism was an indisputable part of the gospel message then why isn’t baptism mentioned everytime “believe” is?

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    12. On January 11, 2008 @ 12:24 pm James said:
      • Greg, I don’t think you can dismiss the words of Christ so easily. I think that they point to “counting the cost” before making a decision. The rich young ruler obeyed all the commandments (works) but couldn’t obey Jesus by selling his possessions. He wanted to be saved, but he wanted his stuff more. Jesus gave him the opportunity, but he went away sad.

        I believe that it is only grace through faith that saves us and not works, lest any man should boast. That is good news. At the same time our faith is proven by our works. You know, the whole “love is a verb” thing. The New Testament is FULL of warnings about how we should live and the consequences of not loving. Steve only gave a few of those verses. The list is actually much longer. God cannot be mocked. A man shall reap what he sows.

        I agreed 100% with the title of point #2, but my mind went the complete opposite direction. I think the church is soft peddling the gospel and not very many people are challenged by it. The gospel is watered down. One of the biggest problems I have in my youth ministry (and we do go to Dare2Share every year in Phoenix!) is students that feel they have a right to be leaders and such when they have disqualified themselves by their own attitudes and actions. If they hate other kids in the youth group (by their own words and actions), how can I allow them to lead, let alone believe they know God? Yet, they claim to have faith in Christ. I am seeing this more and more, even among the adults. Jesus is just another addition to the plate. All things have not become new, old things have not passed away.

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    13. On January 11, 2008 @ 1:16 pm James said:
      • It is no wonder that the book of James was controversial when being considered for the canon. Here’s a verse to ponder and sums up what I was trying to say about faith and works. “You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.” -James 2:24

        It must be grace through faith, faith that is alive and not dead. We cannot just have works without faith, and we cannot have faith without works. They go together. It is not the works that save us, nor the faith, but the grace of God through faith (living faith).

        I know you’ve thought about and have probably debated these points many times, but I haven’t been there and I’m not sure how you handle James in particular.

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    14. On January 11, 2008 @ 2:36 pm Adam said:
      • In Bonhoeffer’s “Cost of Discipleship” he talks about the balance between faithfulness (belief)and obedience (works). Only he that is faithful is obedient, and only he who is obedient is faithful.

        I think what Greg is saying is that we can’t just do such and such list and “earn” our way in, but at the same time, we do what we do because of what we believe!

        So it’s sort of like the NFL, teams can run to set up the pass, or pass to set up the run. But a one dimensional team is not going to be a very potent offense. We have to have both faith and works. Again, there’s balances against them both. Does someone really believe what they say if they’re not really living it out? Or if someone “does” a lot of nice stuff, what for, whats spurring on their actions? Whatever they feel like that day?

        I think there’s a middle road here that we all can agree on, which, if we can’t even discuss in a gentle spirit, whats the point!?!?!

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    15. On January 11, 2008 @ 2:40 pm Steve said:
      • Greg, I agree that in John Jesus never said to be baptized, he did however send out his disciples to baptize:

        John 4:1-3 (NIV)
        1 The Pharisees heard that Jesus was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John, 2 although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples. 3 When the Lord learned of this, he left Judea and went back once more to Galilee.

        If it was not important and all we need is faith, they why did Jesus have his deciles baptize people?
        And it seems again they are not considered disciples until they are baptized!

        Jesus was also baptized as an example for us.

        I also liked James addition to the thought process.

        I do believe it is faith that saves us. But even the demons believe, so what distinguishes our faith from theirs? I believe it is obedience to the word of God and that starts with Repentance and Baptism (Acts 2:38).

        My favorite evangelistic story comes out of Acts 8:26-40

        Acts 8:36-37 (NKJV)
        36 Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?” 37 Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”

        I would wonder have you ever preached the good news in such a way that a person ask if they can be baptized, even before you know if they had faith?

        This is the word of God, do you think Jesus was adding works in Mark 16:16 when he said to be saved you must believe and be baptized?
        If you believe and are obedient then you are saved
        If you believe and are not obedient then no salvation
        If you don’t believe then you are not saved, even if you obey.

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    16. On January 11, 2008 @ 5:24 pm James said:
      • Greg, you’ve got me chewing on this thing all day.

        By the way, I’m so grateful for a place that discussions like this can be done in love and gentleness. So much of the blogosphere is filled with needless argument and nasty back-and-forths. Thanks for leading the way.

        “Why isn’t the world reached for Christ?” You say because a heretical gospel based on works has been preached. If people would only tell others that salvation is free, they don’t have to change a thing, more people would accept it.

        If a murderer (the most famous of sinner examples) came and asked if he could have Christ and murder too, would you say “Of course, just believe and confess”? Why not? If his repentance and obedience to Christ have nothing to do with the free grace of God, then why couldn’t he be saved and continue to murder? His good deeds (or lack of bad deeds) wouldn’t justify his faith, but his confession alone would seal the deal with Jesus.

        Is this really the heart of reformed theology? Or the head? That as long as men say they believe, then Jesus’ sacrifice covers their sins and they are no longer held accountable for their actions, ever? That does sound like good news…great news actually. But you can’t walk too far through Scripture before you run into contrary remarks to that belief system. Like murderers won’t inherit the kindgdom of heaven.

        Most people who discuss these matters are believers who are concerned that preachers and Christians are keeping people from being saved by telling them they must stop a behavior or do something, that they should just offer Christ without cost. Most of the people who reject Christ, in my experience, do so because they simply aren’t convinced that Jesus was/is God. They are not as concerned about potential “changes” as they are concerned about getting to the truth. So, I don’t think “works based” preaching, however wrong it is, is really why the world hasn’t been reached. I think it’s flat out rejection of the deity of Christ, the infallibility of Scripture, or they haven’t heard yet. Also, as in my previous post, I believe it may be because we have watered down the message and haven’t made Jesus believable. My atheist friends would say this is because there is a conflict between the Jesus of the Gospels and the Pauline writings.

        Okay, now I’m rambling…

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    17. On January 13, 2008 @ 12:26 am Greg said:
      • James and Steve, Thanks for all your great input. Instead of getting into a big theo arg while I’m here trying to film the GOSPEL Journey in Maui (we just did a killer 6 mile hike on Molakini) let me sum up with Romans 11:6…if it’s by grace then it can’t be by works otherwise grace is no longer grace. Dr. Martin Lloyd Jones once said that the true test of gospel preaching is whether or not it can be falsely accused of being a license to sin. Wish I had more time to engage boys but I’m trying to engage six of my friends out here with the gospel (aka “the way of grace”)

        Godspeed

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    18. On January 13, 2008 @ 12:39 am James said:
      • Hey, thanks for taking the time to post anything. I just sat down about twenty minutes ago myself to see if any responses were here. I had a long day of fun. We took the youth group out of the Phoenix valley area and up to the mountains for a day in the snow. When we came back I had to get both church vans washed. Then I ran home, changed, and went and played two softball games. Afterwards, I stopped by the church for two hours to finish up some video announcements for tomorrow morning. When I got home, my wife and daughter were already in bed and I vegged out watching some news. Getting on the net was my last stop to bed. But, I saw you posted and so here I am.

        My wife and I thoroughly enjoy your speaking and conferences. You are one of our favorite speakers (and we’ve seen many). And this exchange doesn’t change a thing about my opinion (even though you sound so much like my universalist friends :) They are friends, and I’d like to think we are too, even though you have no clue who I am. Blessings!

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    19. On January 13, 2008 @ 10:43 am Greg said:
      • Thanks James. I appreciate your complement (blush). But be assured I’m the farthest thing from a universalist. Jesus said he is “the way and the truth and the life” and the no one comes to the Father except through him. He is the only way of salvation. And I do believe that as soon as someone puts their faith in Jesus he begins to transform them from the inside out. As Romans 8 reminds us “those who are not led by the Spirit of God are not the sons of God.” God’s Spirit is leading a revolution of change in the heart of every true believer. If we resist that revolution then we are disciplined as disobedient children (Hebrews 12:6). If we allow God’s Spirit to transform us then we are conformed to the image of God’s Son. Revolution or retribution (in the sense of intensified divine discipline on wayward “sons and daughters of God” Hebrews 10:26-31) are the only options for those have put their faith in Jesus.

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    20. On January 18, 2008 @ 4:06 pm Steve said:
      • Greg, Sorry for the late follow up, computer issues.

        So I leave with the question you did not answer. What is the difference between the faith of a believer and the faith of the demons? James says (James 2:19) even the demons believe. So what is the difference between us (believers/the saved) and them (demons) if believing is all you need?

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    21. On January 19, 2008 @ 8:42 am Greg said:
      • The verse actually says, “You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.” The demons believe there is one God. There is a huge difference between that and what Jesus is commanding in John 3:16, “whoever believes in him will not perish but has eternal life.” It’s faith in a fact (there is one God) verses faith in a person. Demons don’t put their faith in Christ for the salvation of their souls. Since you left me with a question I’ll leave you with one. If salvation required more than faith in the person of Christ then why would the book of John (the only book of the Bible written to an unbelieving audience according to John 20:31) give the command to believe 98x’s and not require turning from sin, water baptism or anything else as a prerequisite for salvation. I’m sure you don’t believe the apostle John preached an incomplete gospel do you?

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    22. On January 20, 2008 @ 9:32 pm Steve said:
      • Greg,
        Wow, the book of John is all we need and we can through the rest of the Bible out?
        Interesting thought about the book of John being complete, and I understand your point.

        With that thought you would then say Peter (The Rock) added to the Gospel when he said Repent and be baptized to be saved (Acts 2:38), Paul added to the gospel when he said believe and confess because it is confession that saves us (Romans 10:9). Peter again added to the gospel when he said that baptism saves us (1 Peter 3:21). And last but not least Jesus added to the Gospel when he said to be saved you must believe and be baptized (Mark 16:16).

        No I don’t want to take away from the book of John, but what about the other books of the new testament, are you throwing them out.
        And what about the examples set for us in the early church in the book of Acts, do we through that out as well.

        Again in the book of John I go back to the idea that Jesus was baptized and he sent his disciples out to baptize. If this was not important then why is it included in the book of John? It is include for our example to follow. So I don’t believe it was left out of the book of John at all.

        God Bless, Brother.

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    23. On January 21, 2008 @ 7:58 am Greg said:
      • Hey Steve, No the book of John is one of the 66 but it is the only one of the 66 written directly to unbelievers. But it’s not just the book of John that mentions faith alone as the sole requirement for salvation. Check out Galatians and Romans. In Acts 10:44 the newly believing Gentiles had received the Spirit of God through faith BEFORE they had been baptized. Peter says “what prevents these from being baptized? They have received the Spirit….” According to Ephesians 1:13,14 receiving the Spirit happens only after someone puts their faith in Jesus.

        But you never answered my original question. Why isn’t baptism mentioned as a requirement for salvation EVERY TIME faith is mentioned as a requirement for salvation (not just in the book of John but throughout the New Testament and throughout most of Jesus’ gospel presentations) if it is a separate step? Remember the entire book of Galatians was written to those who wanted to add one work (circumcision) to the free gift of grace. Try re-reading the book of Galatians and mentally inserting water baptism everytime circumcision is mentioned. Paul comes down hard on those who add anything to the free gift of God’s grace. I have interpretive explanations for every passage that you mentioned but don’t have time to break it all down online. If you are seriously interested in knowing how I would interpret these passages I suggest you check out The Bible Knowledge Commentary (New Testament) for an idea of where I would lie on these passages. They do a better job than I could online in the short time I have to respond (and with my limited brain capacity!)

        In closing it’s interesting to me Steve that during the GOSPEL Journey we identified “the way of work verses the way of grace” as a defining mark of Christianity verses every other world religion. From Buddhism to Hinduism to Mormonism to Islam to Judaism human effort toward the goal of “being good enough” is always what gets a person to heaven or to Nirvana. Christianity is the only belief system that is the way of grace, trusting instead of trying, receiving a free gift through faith alone that has been purchased by the blood of the Lamb. So why do I seek to serve God with all of my heart? Because of this same grace!

        Anyway, thanks for the dialogue!

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    24. On January 23, 2008 @ 12:21 pm Steve said:
      • Greg,
        “But you never answered my original question. Why isn’t baptism mentioned as a requirement for salvation EVERY TIME faith is mentioned as a requirement for salvation.”

        Ok, that is an easy one, for the same reason Faith is not mentioned every time other things are mentioned, baptism, repentance (changing your life). For example Acts 2:37-38. Faith is assumed and maybe implied but not mentioned. Acts 22:14-16. Paul is told to “Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name” faith is not mentioned: on Paul’s Part, he is told he will be a servant of God and therefore do this.
        Paul may come down hard on those who wanted to put believers under the old testament law (circumcision) but when he writes to believers he also assumes all believers are baptized believers (Romans 6:3-4; Galatians 3:26-27), the act we are commanded by the Lord Jesus Christ to both under take (Mark 16:16) as a sign of belief and Do (Matthew 28:19-20) to believers as a sign of belief.

        As I recall from GOSPEL Journey (and discussion on the new one) you also make it clear believe in Jesus and grace of God is the only way, at the exclusion of any other way. So they must do something first, give up their belief in other things to accept Christ as the only way (sounds like action on our part). After all they cant be a Buddhist and a Christian Right! Christ says give it all up come to me (take action and believe). If you want to push the we do nothing adage then why not become a Calvinist and say truly there is nothing we can do and God chose those who go to heaven before time began (and those going to hell) and we have no choice. You see faith is an action, accepting/believing in Christ is an action, it is something we do on our part to accept the grace. Free will gives us the choice to accept or reject God, but to accept it we need to take action, believe, have faith, repent and be baptized.
        If baptism is nothing in the life of a believer the why did Peter say it is what saves us, why did Paul assume all believers were baptized, why did Christ COMMAND it, do it and send his Disciples out to do it? If it has nothing to do with salvation then why bring it up at all?
        Understanding that Jesus is God, that he died on the Cross for our sins, and that he was raised on the third day is not enough. We must accept the grace of God, what does that look like? Acts 2:38; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:14-41; Acts 8:5-13; Acts 8:35-39; Acts 10:34-38; Acts 16:30-34; Romans 10:9
        Believe, Repent, Confess, Baptized

        And since you mentioned Galatians lets not forget:
        Galatians 3:26-27 (NIV)
        26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

        Wow, if that does not tie faith and baptism together for you I don’t know what more to do.

        Now that I got carried away I need to add that faith is the first and most important step as the rest does not happen with out it. Teaching youth this and how to share their faith is what D2S is great at. I have been to several events and both my children have been to at least two events each. Don’t let anything I ramble about take away from the work you do.

        Loved “Venti Jesus Please”

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    25. On February 7, 2008 @ 5:22 pm Steve said:
      • Greg,

        I was listening to D2S Uncensored:
        Kaboom! The explosive power of the Gospel message.
        At 8:18 you reference Galatians 3:27 but quote Galatians 3:26, interesting slip.
        Especially since 27 says “for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ”

        And the two together give us this

        Galatians 3:26-27 (NIV)
        26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

        It gives us Paul writing to believers with the belief that all believers were baptized into Christ, that is they CLOTHED THEMSELVES with Christ. They are all sons of God through faith, why because they have clothed themselves in Christ through baptism.

        As you teach on D2S Uncensored look at the verses around the verses referenced to see if it fits.

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    26. On June 18, 2009 @ 5:50 am Dean Lusk said:
      • Greg,

        Excellent post.For nearly a year now I’ve meant to link to it and have forgotten or procrastinated. Until today. Good word.

        http://deanlusk.blogspot.com/2009/06/why-world-is-not-reached-for-christ-yet.html

        Dean Lusk

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    27. On July 1, 2009 @ 8:13 pm Jeremy said:
      • Greg, what do you teach about baptism?

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