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		<title>By: will</title>
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		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 05:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OOPS!  Hit the &#039;Enter&#039; key.  Here&#039;s the finished thought:

â€œThere is another way. The way of holiness and healing, and it involves what we do IN THAT VERY MOMENT , when our hearts are stirred by a Beauty.  God and the devil were doing battle over my heart on that trip I just mentioned, and this is what I wrote in my journal:  O merciful God, come to me in this place, this very place in my heart.  I give this to You.  I choose you over Eve.  I choose your love and friendship and beauty.  I give my aching and longing and vulnerable heart to You.  Come, and heal me here.  Sanctify me.  Make me whole and holy in this very place.&quot;

Through it all, our Awesome God Has Taught me that if I am stricken with a Beauty who is not mine to desire, His Spirit Leads me to share His Good News with her.  Would I rather spend a few fleeting moments for earthly pleasure, an imperfect human relationship, and the destruction of my family and hers (or rob her and her future husband of God&#039;s Most Glorious Gift in marriage), or would I rather be in perfect relationship with her and all believers when we have Life Eternal (which in His Spirit Is NOW!) - 1 Thessalonians 4:3-6
Bottom line, ALL guys out there-check out &quot;The Way of the Wild Heart&quot;, the follow-up to &quot;Wild at Heart&quot; by Eldredge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OOPS!  Hit the &#8216;Enter&#8217; key.  Here&#8217;s the finished thought:</p>
<p>â€œThere is another way. The way of holiness and healing, and it involves what we do IN THAT VERY MOMENT , when our hearts are stirred by a Beauty.  God and the devil were doing battle over my heart on that trip I just mentioned, and this is what I wrote in my journal:  O merciful God, come to me in this place, this very place in my heart.  I give this to You.  I choose you over Eve.  I choose your love and friendship and beauty.  I give my aching and longing and vulnerable heart to You.  Come, and heal me here.  Sanctify me.  Make me whole and holy in this very place.&#8221;</p>
<p>Through it all, our Awesome God Has Taught me that if I am stricken with a Beauty who is not mine to desire, His Spirit Leads me to share His Good News with her.  Would I rather spend a few fleeting moments for earthly pleasure, an imperfect human relationship, and the destruction of my family and hers (or rob her and her future husband of God&#8217;s Most Glorious Gift in marriage), or would I rather be in perfect relationship with her and all believers when we have Life Eternal (which in His Spirit Is NOW!) &#8211; 1 Thessalonians 4:3-6<br />
Bottom line, ALL guys out there-check out &#8220;The Way of the Wild Heart&#8221;, the follow-up to &#8220;Wild at Heart&#8221; by Eldredge.</p>
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		<title>By: will</title>
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		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 04:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, buddy.
Been on va-k with my family for the last week and just got back.  I still struggle with lust in my life, and I know I always will. I have read many books and articles on how to overcome lust, from &quot;Every Man&#039;s Battle&quot; to Battlefield of the Mind&quot; and so many in between.  Only one addresses in a truly Godly manner the underlying issues that manifest themsleves in lust.  
John Eldredge, in Chapter 11 of his book &quot;The Way of the Wild Heart&quot;, says it this way:

&quot;It goes without saying that there is something in the soul of a man that makes him profoundly vulnerable to The Beauty.  Every man knows this, knows the breathtaking allure of a woman&#039;s form.  I&#039;ll be flipping through some adventure magazine and whoa-there is a beauty and she stirs something in my heart.  Vulnerable doesn&#039;t quite describe it.  Powerless draws us a bit nearer the condition.
   Over the ages men have handled this in basically one of two ways-surrender, or discipline.  Surrender can be subtle, as when we let her in, when we allow ourselves to entertain the Beauty even though she is not ours...The damage is terrible, and many good men therefore choose discipline.  Force yourself to look away, busy yourself with other things, fight it tooth and nail.   Which is certainly better than surrender. Joseph ran for his life from Potiphar&#039;s wife, and it was the right decision.  But discipline without healing doesn&#039;t work real well over time, and it can do grat damage to our hearts, which begin to feel like the  enemy so we&#039;ll do what we can to kill them in order to avert disaster.&quot;

That was me, guys!  Killing my heart, berating myself for noticing or even acknowledging a woman other than my wife!  NOT the way our Holy Spirit Calls us to handle the situation.  Here is what John says about it on page 210:

&quot;There is another way.  The way of holiness and healing, and it involves what we do</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, buddy.<br />
Been on va-k with my family for the last week and just got back.  I still struggle with lust in my life, and I know I always will. I have read many books and articles on how to overcome lust, from &#8220;Every Man&#8217;s Battle&#8221; to Battlefield of the Mind&#8221; and so many in between.  Only one addresses in a truly Godly manner the underlying issues that manifest themsleves in lust.<br />
John Eldredge, in Chapter 11 of his book &#8220;The Way of the Wild Heart&#8221;, says it this way:</p>
<p>&#8220;It goes without saying that there is something in the soul of a man that makes him profoundly vulnerable to The Beauty.  Every man knows this, knows the breathtaking allure of a woman&#8217;s form.  I&#8217;ll be flipping through some adventure magazine and whoa-there is a beauty and she stirs something in my heart.  Vulnerable doesn&#8217;t quite describe it.  Powerless draws us a bit nearer the condition.<br />
   Over the ages men have handled this in basically one of two ways-surrender, or discipline.  Surrender can be subtle, as when we let her in, when we allow ourselves to entertain the Beauty even though she is not ours&#8230;The damage is terrible, and many good men therefore choose discipline.  Force yourself to look away, busy yourself with other things, fight it tooth and nail.   Which is certainly better than surrender. Joseph ran for his life from Potiphar&#8217;s wife, and it was the right decision.  But discipline without healing doesn&#8217;t work real well over time, and it can do grat damage to our hearts, which begin to feel like the  enemy so we&#8217;ll do what we can to kill them in order to avert disaster.&#8221;</p>
<p>That was me, guys!  Killing my heart, berating myself for noticing or even acknowledging a woman other than my wife!  NOT the way our Holy Spirit Calls us to handle the situation.  Here is what John says about it on page 210:</p>
<p>&#8220;There is another way.  The way of holiness and healing, and it involves what we do</p>
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		<title>By: Jocee</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Yall,
Ummm, I just wanna ask yall to pray while on the subject of &quot;Good Christians Gone Bad&quot; and purity and all.
One of my friends that I love a lot is doing some things he knows are wrong and are affecting relationships with friends and ultimatly His relationship with God.  I know he knows what he&#039;s doing is wrong but he likes the temporary satisfaction.  So just pray he makes the choice to stop what he&#039;s doing.
It really breaks my heart though because he&#039;s older than me and since we were in middle school I looked up to him and always saw him as someone who had a super strong relationship with God and I kinda looked up to him.  I don&#039;t know, all I know is he really needs prayer right now.
Thankyou
Your Sister In Christ,
Jocee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Yall,<br />
Ummm, I just wanna ask yall to pray while on the subject of &#8220;Good Christians Gone Bad&#8221; and purity and all.<br />
One of my friends that I love a lot is doing some things he knows are wrong and are affecting relationships with friends and ultimatly His relationship with God.  I know he knows what he&#8217;s doing is wrong but he likes the temporary satisfaction.  So just pray he makes the choice to stop what he&#8217;s doing.<br />
It really breaks my heart though because he&#8217;s older than me and since we were in middle school I looked up to him and always saw him as someone who had a super strong relationship with God and I kinda looked up to him.  I don&#8217;t know, all I know is he really needs prayer right now.<br />
Thankyou<br />
Your Sister In Christ,<br />
Jocee</p>
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		<title>By: Leyaenet</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>greg... it funny that you mention this...
we are right now in 3 week of meetings for our mission. we have to get ready and know what to do before we on mission trip and get people to believe in god..

well we were having girl time.. we have bunch of questions that related to our upcoming mission trip in 4 week. we have this question.. about if you ever have subject of lust.. us girl didnt really think about that.. i guess girls is very hard to talk about it.. in private as well. boys are fine but girls didnt really talk about it.. because we never thought of that and plus.. we never think about that way.  we never feel that way.. i think girls should talk about that because someday we may feel that way when we are ready.

i think girls from church should like grasp of the meaning of lust and how we like feel in that way. if you are pastor at church i would reccommed for all the pastor to talk about it. 

age of 16.. i decided to be purity.. i even make my promise to god about that.
soo im not going to be like that.. but i wish all girls should be into purity and just wait until the right guy. however it very hard to wait because we want it now.. having a relationship.. i was that way.. where i want a relationship.. but the only reason why we have to wait is because jesus want us to wait.. yes it would be good to wait and promise on purity becuase your husband will love you for that.. and we should not be in relationship until jesus want us to be ready but Jesus for right now is our boyfreind and is in our relationship! 

that what i think about this topic. 
i am glad that i decide to be purity. lots of people were making fun of me because i decide to be purity but you know what.. i dont care.. it only between me and god!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>greg&#8230; it funny that you mention this&#8230;<br />
we are right now in 3 week of meetings for our mission. we have to get ready and know what to do before we on mission trip and get people to believe in god..</p>
<p>well we were having girl time.. we have bunch of questions that related to our upcoming mission trip in 4 week. we have this question.. about if you ever have subject of lust.. us girl didnt really think about that.. i guess girls is very hard to talk about it.. in private as well. boys are fine but girls didnt really talk about it.. because we never thought of that and plus.. we never think about that way.  we never feel that way.. i think girls should talk about that because someday we may feel that way when we are ready.</p>
<p>i think girls from church should like grasp of the meaning of lust and how we like feel in that way. if you are pastor at church i would reccommed for all the pastor to talk about it. </p>
<p>age of 16.. i decided to be purity.. i even make my promise to god about that.<br />
soo im not going to be like that.. but i wish all girls should be into purity and just wait until the right guy. however it very hard to wait because we want it now.. having a relationship.. i was that way.. where i want a relationship.. but the only reason why we have to wait is because jesus want us to wait.. yes it would be good to wait and promise on purity becuase your husband will love you for that.. and we should not be in relationship until jesus want us to be ready but Jesus for right now is our boyfreind and is in our relationship! </p>
<p>that what i think about this topic.<br />
i am glad that i decide to be purity. lots of people were making fun of me because i decide to be purity but you know what.. i dont care.. it only between me and god!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep Kyle, Pride and lust are the nemesis of many men. As a matter of fact I assert that if a man claims to never struggle with lust it&#039;s a sure thing that he always struggles with lying. Even the Apostle Paul said om 2 Cor. 11:29, &quot;who is weka, and I do not feel week? who is led into sin, and I do not inwardly burn?&quot; Some theologians may try to explain that away because it seems to diminish the shine from Paul&#039;s stained glass image we have. But to me, it&#039;s his sheer honesty about his struggle with lust (even toward the end of his ministry) that allows us to be honest.

As I jokingly claim to pray, &quot;Lord surround me with your Spirit and ugly women. And if they ain&#039;t ugly, make them ugly to me.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep Kyle, Pride and lust are the nemesis of many men. As a matter of fact I assert that if a man claims to never struggle with lust it&#8217;s a sure thing that he always struggles with lying. Even the Apostle Paul said om 2 Cor. 11:29, &#8220;who is weka, and I do not feel week? who is led into sin, and I do not inwardly burn?&#8221; Some theologians may try to explain that away because it seems to diminish the shine from Paul&#8217;s stained glass image we have. But to me, it&#8217;s his sheer honesty about his struggle with lust (even toward the end of his ministry) that allows us to be honest.</p>
<p>As I jokingly claim to pray, &#8220;Lord surround me with your Spirit and ugly women. And if they ain&#8217;t ugly, make them ugly to me.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I blogged about something similiar in the fall when a preacher I knew fell in a similiar fashion.  The church has typically had 2 responses:  Condemnation or they&#039;ve turned their backs.

It&#039;s time for the church to really get understanding of what it takes to stand in the gap for their fallen brothers and sisters and learn what the Word says about it!

This stuff is going to keep happening, and you are right we shouldn&#039;t be surprised!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I blogged about something similiar in the fall when a preacher I knew fell in a similiar fashion.  The church has typically had 2 responses:  Condemnation or they&#8217;ve turned their backs.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time for the church to really get understanding of what it takes to stand in the gap for their fallen brothers and sisters and learn what the Word says about it!</p>
<p>This stuff is going to keep happening, and you are right we shouldn&#8217;t be surprised!</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother in Christ to Brother in Christ,

Hard situation, but you have my prayers as well my friend.  

Verses that may help that have helped me:

Philippians 4:13
James 1:5
Proverbs 3:5-6
Colossians 4:2-6
1st Peter 3:15-16
and especially Matthew 19:26

As Greg&#039;s said [not exact but close], &quot;Sharing the Gospel, it&#039;s just not fair.  The reason it&#039;s not fair is because with the Holy Spirit to empower it, it can reach the heart in a way no other message can.&quot;  (Sorry if I totally botched that Greg, but that was the main point. :))   


Keep God first place, bro!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother in Christ to Brother in Christ,</p>
<p>Hard situation, but you have my prayers as well my friend.  </p>
<p>Verses that may help that have helped me:</p>
<p>Philippians 4:13<br />
James 1:5<br />
Proverbs 3:5-6<br />
Colossians 4:2-6<br />
1st Peter 3:15-16<br />
and especially Matthew 19:26</p>
<p>As Greg&#8217;s said [not exact but close], &#8220;Sharing the Gospel, it&#8217;s just not fair.  The reason it&#8217;s not fair is because with the Holy Spirit to empower it, it can reach the heart in a way no other message can.&#8221;  (Sorry if I totally botched that Greg, but that was the main point. <img src='http://www.gregstier.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )   </p>
<p>Keep God first place, bro!</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg,

How do you do it? How?  My guess is it isnâ€™t you, but itâ€™s God using you to hopefully not just touch me but touch many.  This article speaks so powerfully about one of the core issues Iâ€™m fighting with, Lust.  One of my biggest fears is that one day Iâ€™ll be doing something great like you are.  The lead speaker at a conference, someone well known (Not for the sake of popularity but for this story), but then lust gets the better of me.  Iâ€™m slammed; I punch the bride in the face and kick her to the ground.  The secret gets out and I ruin the image of Christ that much more.  

Another thing: being cocky.  

Wow.  That hit me pretty hard too.  Iâ€™ve noticed something, let me know if you agree.  Lately while fighting against this part of me and  Iâ€™m doing well, I might say to myself, â€œHmm. Doing pretty good, I think weâ€™re getting better at this.  Hopefully I wonâ€™t struggle much, or at all, anymore.â€  Bam. Fail. Slap.  Itâ€™s almost as if I lit the fuse and stood on the bomb and then was surprised when it went off.  Iâ€™ve also noticed that since Iâ€™ve kept my guard up all the time, and when that thought gets ready to come into mind, â€œNope.  Donâ€™t even think about it.  Keep the wall up, itâ€™s just around the corner.  Itâ€™ll always be there, donâ€™t ever think the opportunity will go away because it wonâ€™t.â€  You did a great job on this.

This has helped me a lot: 

Purity [or lust in this case] isnâ€™t a line not to be crossed; itâ€™s a direction [pointing to Jesus].  Rather than driving down the Freeway of Life and seeing where the sometimes fun looking or pleasurable exits may take you; God would rather us go full speed into His arms.  God isnâ€™t impressed by our ability to stand up to sin; however, He is pleased by our obedience to â€˜fleeâ€™ from it and follow what He commands.  

You did a great job on the whole thing.  Thanks again for all your support!  

Godâ€™s grace!

~Kyle J. H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,</p>
<p>How do you do it? How?  My guess is it isnâ€™t you, but itâ€™s God using you to hopefully not just touch me but touch many.  This article speaks so powerfully about one of the core issues Iâ€™m fighting with, Lust.  One of my biggest fears is that one day Iâ€™ll be doing something great like you are.  The lead speaker at a conference, someone well known (Not for the sake of popularity but for this story), but then lust gets the better of me.  Iâ€™m slammed; I punch the bride in the face and kick her to the ground.  The secret gets out and I ruin the image of Christ that much more.  </p>
<p>Another thing: being cocky.  </p>
<p>Wow.  That hit me pretty hard too.  Iâ€™ve noticed something, let me know if you agree.  Lately while fighting against this part of me and  Iâ€™m doing well, I might say to myself, â€œHmm. Doing pretty good, I think weâ€™re getting better at this.  Hopefully I wonâ€™t struggle much, or at all, anymore.â€  Bam. Fail. Slap.  Itâ€™s almost as if I lit the fuse and stood on the bomb and then was surprised when it went off.  Iâ€™ve also noticed that since Iâ€™ve kept my guard up all the time, and when that thought gets ready to come into mind, â€œNope.  Donâ€™t even think about it.  Keep the wall up, itâ€™s just around the corner.  Itâ€™ll always be there, donâ€™t ever think the opportunity will go away because it wonâ€™t.â€  You did a great job on this.</p>
<p>This has helped me a lot: </p>
<p>Purity [or lust in this case] isnâ€™t a line not to be crossed; itâ€™s a direction [pointing to Jesus].  Rather than driving down the Freeway of Life and seeing where the sometimes fun looking or pleasurable exits may take you; God would rather us go full speed into His arms.  God isnâ€™t impressed by our ability to stand up to sin; however, He is pleased by our obedience to â€˜fleeâ€™ from it and follow what He commands.  </p>
<p>You did a great job on the whole thing.  Thanks again for all your support!  </p>
<p>Godâ€™s grace!</p>
<p>~Kyle J. H.</p>
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		<title>By: BigDaddy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good balance of Grace AND Truth, something we lack often and something the &quot;unregenerate&quot; too often misunderstand. And all too often, it very well may be the very thing that most of us fail at the most, given the media&#039;s ability to rally. Greg News, fair and balanced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good balance of Grace AND Truth, something we lack often and something the &#8220;unregenerate&#8221; too often misunderstand. And all too often, it very well may be the very thing that most of us fail at the most, given the media&#8217;s ability to rally. Greg News, fair and balanced.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow that was an amazing article.</description>
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