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]]> By: Caffeinated Thoughts - » Twenty Items of Interest (v.2) http://www.gregstier.org/rants/the-coming-apostasy/comment-page-1/#comment-73862 Caffeinated Thoughts - » Twenty Items of Interest (v.2) Sat, 21 Jun 2008 15:29:42 +0000 http://www.gregstier.org/rants/the-coming-apostasy#comment-73862 [...] Greg Steir writes on The Coming Apostasy, what he sees today with some in the Christian speaking [...] [...] Greg Steir writes on The Coming Apostasy, what he sees today with some in the Christian speaking [...]

]]> By: Pastor Scott http://www.gregstier.org/rants/the-coming-apostasy/comment-page-1/#comment-53018 Pastor Scott Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:12:09 +0000 http://www.gregstier.org/rants/the-coming-apostasy#comment-53018 Greg, I agree that there is a balance that has to take place, but the world is looking for a life "lived" in front of them that is holy, not just preached to them. Sure we may "fall short", but we don't have to! The Holy Spirit(the least talked about part of the Trinity) can and will fill us completely so that we can live holy and "righteous in this present age" according to Titus 2. We don't have to wait until after we die to be righteous and holy. We can and must live it in this life man! None of this cop out theology of "I'm just human and I sin every day in word, thought, or deed". There's a name for that a "sinner". Sinners won't be in heaven. They will be in hell--a real place that the Bible is clear about. Let's stop giving a mixed message to this generation that "you need to have faith in Jesus and then try to live right, but don't worry if you sin, you're only human and everyone does" garbage. That's why the church is in the situation that we are in. The world sees no difference in our daily lives than the world. I'm not some "holy roller" that thinks the evidence of being filled with the Holy Spirit is some kind of babbling and rolling around on the floor like animals. When we experience the sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit our lives are radically changed--our speech, our actions, our reactions, and our thought life. That is the true evidence of full salvation. C'mmon Greg let's think this through. We're evangelizing people by the masses, but it there's no lifestyle change, homes being mended, relationships being restored, communities affected, what are we accomplishing? I'm with you on 99% though man! Keep up the good work--just add a holy life to your message and mission! Greg,
I agree that there is a balance that has to take place, but the world is looking for a life “lived” in front of them that is holy, not just preached to them. Sure we may “fall short”, but we don’t have to! The Holy Spirit(the least talked about part of the Trinity) can and will fill us completely so that we can live holy and “righteous in this present age” according to Titus 2. We don’t have to wait until after we die to be righteous and holy. We can and must live it in this life man! None of this cop out theology of “I’m just human and I sin every day in word, thought, or deed”. There’s a name for that a “sinner”. Sinners won’t be in heaven. They will be in hell–a real place that the Bible is clear about. Let’s stop giving a mixed message to this generation that “you need to have faith in Jesus and then try to live right, but don’t worry if you sin, you’re only human and everyone does” garbage. That’s why the church is in the situation that we are in. The world sees no difference in our daily lives than the world. I’m not some “holy roller” that thinks the evidence of being filled with the Holy Spirit is some kind of babbling and rolling around on the floor like animals. When we experience the sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit our lives are radically changed–our speech, our actions, our reactions, and our thought life. That is the true evidence of full salvation. C’mmon Greg let’s think this through. We’re evangelizing people by the masses, but it there’s no lifestyle change, homes being mended, relationships being restored, communities affected, what are we accomplishing? I’m with you on 99% though man! Keep up the good work–just add a holy life to your message and mission!

]]> By: jim elliott http://www.gregstier.org/rants/the-coming-apostasy/comment-page-1/#comment-46526 jim elliott Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:57:04 +0000 http://www.gregstier.org/rants/the-coming-apostasy#comment-46526 Greg, I appreciate your discussion of this topic and agree with your 6 points. I am just a parent that is looking into what my teenager will be doing at dare2share. I was drawn to this topic because I think I see this handwriting on the wall so-to-speak. And it is my greatest concern for the coming generations. I see other signs too. Such as the increase in knowledge, which leads to self sufficiency and puffed up deception of pride. I went to a state university and saw it as a huge pitfall back then. Clearly it has become more of an issue in this day. The entertainment industry is always trying to surpass itself in terms of perceived realism and shock value. I must confess a that I have found apostasy creeping up in me due to an imbalance in my priorities. I have recently begun to use my computer skills to learn to be the web master for a church website. I have found that there are resources to attempt to get the attention of those who need to hear the message. But the church needs to more fully use the latest tools to present the same tried and true, truth of God to the coming generations. The coming apostasy may indeed be an issue at the heart of the church. Thanks for making this discussion possible. Greg,
I appreciate your discussion of this topic and agree with your 6 points. I am just a parent that is looking into what my teenager will be doing at dare2share. I was drawn to this topic because I think I see this handwriting on the wall so-to-speak. And it is my greatest concern for the coming generations. I see other signs too. Such as the increase in knowledge, which leads to self sufficiency and puffed up deception of pride. I went to a state university and saw it as a huge pitfall back then. Clearly it has become more of an issue in this day. The entertainment industry is always trying to surpass itself in terms of perceived realism and shock value. I must confess a that I have found apostasy creeping up in me due to an imbalance in my priorities. I have recently begun to use my computer skills to learn to be the web master for a church website. I have found that there are resources to attempt to get the attention of those who need to hear the message. But the church needs to more fully use the latest tools to present the same tried and true, truth of God to the coming generations. The coming apostasy may indeed be an issue at the heart of the church.
Thanks for making this discussion possible.

]]> By: jean http://www.gregstier.org/rants/the-coming-apostasy/comment-page-1/#comment-45746 jean Sat, 26 Jan 2008 02:44:43 +0000 http://www.gregstier.org/rants/the-coming-apostasy#comment-45746 Greg, Praise God, you are one of the few youth ministries that is holding fast against the tide of postmodern.....dare I say, heresy! It seems the church is caught up now in the bewitching of the church mentioned in Galatians....did the church ever realize when it was asleep what it would wake up to. May the Lord have mercy and continue to sanctify the true church to Himself and may He show mercy to those who have been deceived by all the charms of emergent, seeker friendly, mystic driven hirelings. Greg,

Praise God, you are one of the few youth ministries that is holding fast against the tide of postmodern…..dare I say, heresy! It seems the church is caught up now in the bewitching of the church mentioned in Galatians….did the church ever realize when it was asleep what it would wake up to. May the Lord have mercy and continue to sanctify the true church to Himself and may He show mercy to those who have been deceived by all the charms of emergent, seeker friendly, mystic driven hirelings.

]]> By: Greg http://www.gregstier.org/rants/the-coming-apostasy/comment-page-1/#comment-45654 Greg Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:23:56 +0000 http://www.gregstier.org/rants/the-coming-apostasy#comment-45654 Thanks Ingrid! I just checked out your site. Looks like your hands full with all sorts of crazy beliefs floating out there. I agree that all of these battles have been fought before. Karl Barth and the boys' false teachings have been regurgitated, recycled and reincarnated today...but this time it's getting a real stronghold in the church. I think it's tough for younger youth leaders (many of whom I've found don't have a solid Biblical grid) to discern the wheat from the chaf so many get sucked up in the postmodern party without really thinking through it. My heart breaks for them. I hope and pray God uses Dare 2 Share to help be a balanced, Biblical voice in all of this ruckus to call youth leaders (and everyone for that matter) back to the authority of God's Word and the Great Commission. It's not just the damage that much of this false teaching is doing...it's the huge distraction it is to the advancement of the gospel of Jesus Christ. In the words of Amy Carmichael we are making daisy chains while the long line of lost people walk over the cliff into the abyss of everlasting destruction. Speaking of that I've spent too much time blogging today (daisy chains?). There are people that need to hear the good news of Jesus! Thanks Ingrid! I just checked out your site. Looks like your hands full with all sorts of crazy beliefs floating out there. I agree that all of these battles have been fought before. Karl Barth and the boys’ false teachings have been regurgitated, recycled and reincarnated today…but this time it’s getting a real stronghold in the church. I think it’s tough for younger youth leaders (many of whom I’ve found don’t have a solid Biblical grid) to discern the wheat from the chaf so many get sucked up in the postmodern party without really thinking through it. My heart breaks for them. I hope and pray God uses Dare 2 Share to help be a balanced, Biblical voice in all of this ruckus to call youth leaders (and everyone for that matter) back to the authority of God’s Word and the Great Commission. It’s not just the damage that much of this false teaching is doing…it’s the huge distraction it is to the advancement of the gospel of Jesus Christ. In the words of Amy Carmichael we are making daisy chains while the long line of lost people walk over the cliff into the abyss of everlasting destruction.

Speaking of that I’ve spent too much time blogging today (daisy chains?). There are people that need to hear the good news of Jesus!

]]> By: Ingrid Schlueter http://www.gregstier.org/rants/the-coming-apostasy/comment-page-1/#comment-45647 Ingrid Schlueter Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:34:40 +0000 http://www.gregstier.org/rants/the-coming-apostasy#comment-45647 Great post, Greg. With Brian McLaren denying the doctrine of the penal substitutionary atonement and the existence of a literal hell, we're back to the old battles fought when the attacks on biblical truth were coming from the "modernists" (100 years ago). Now it's the same old stuff repackaged for the "postmoderns". The issues are always the same: the authority and sufficiency of the Bible, the existence of hell, the atonement, Jesus as the only way to heaven, etc. We're fighting the same battles my grandfather fought in seminary. Please keep giving a warning and cautionary word. Rob Bell (who announced in Christianity Today that he and his wife were liberated to learn that the Bible was NOT divine fiat but rather the story of mans' encounter with God) is one of the leading pied pipers for this kind of false teaching. If we are not frequently reminded of what God's eternal Word says, we risk being seduced by these lies. God bless you. Great post, Greg. With Brian McLaren denying the doctrine of the penal substitutionary atonement and the existence of a literal hell, we’re back to the old battles fought when the attacks on biblical truth were coming from the “modernists” (100 years ago). Now it’s the same old stuff repackaged for the “postmoderns”. The issues are always the same: the authority and sufficiency of the Bible, the existence of hell, the atonement, Jesus as the only way to heaven, etc. We’re fighting the same battles my grandfather fought in seminary. Please keep giving a warning and cautionary word. Rob Bell (who announced in Christianity Today that he and his wife were liberated to learn that the Bible was NOT divine fiat but rather the story of mans’ encounter with God) is one of the leading pied pipers for this kind of false teaching. If we are not frequently reminded of what God’s eternal Word says, we risk being seduced by these lies. God bless you.

]]> By: Adam http://www.gregstier.org/rants/the-coming-apostasy/comment-page-1/#comment-45581 Adam Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:48:10 +0000 http://www.gregstier.org/rants/the-coming-apostasy#comment-45581 Greg, check out my blog man: www.mustoe.blogspot.com I finally put some original material up there, so I don't have to be the infamous naysayer! This is by no means a response to just you. I just wanted to articulate some of my theology, and some of the discussion will overlap with some things I've said here in reaction to your posts. I talked with Tony about it too. Can't wait to see what you guys think. You know, we may disagree on some things, but I'll pick you up from the St. Louis airport anytime! Greg,

check out my blog man: http://www.mustoe.blogspot.com

I finally put some original material up there, so I don’t have to be the infamous naysayer! This is by no means a response to just you. I just wanted to articulate some of my theology, and some of the discussion will overlap with some things I’ve said here in reaction to your posts. I talked with Tony about it too. Can’t wait to see what you guys think. You know, we may disagree on some things, but I’ll pick you up from the St. Louis airport anytime!

]]> By: James http://www.gregstier.org/rants/the-coming-apostasy/comment-page-1/#comment-45574 James Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:13:51 +0000 http://www.gregstier.org/rants/the-coming-apostasy#comment-45574 I'll never fully understand why some believers are so offended by the preaching of the gospel. In fact, they are hostile toward the word "preaching." They have chosen to pity the sinner so much that they make preaching out to be offensive, intrusive, and arrogant. They presuppose that no imperfect man has the right to "preach" to another without acting as a hypocrite. I guess in some slight sense, they are right. Being a preacher myself, I have felt the weight of knowing what a mess I've been and yet having the privilege of sharing a sermon. But Jesus has declared me righteous and told me to go and preach. And that is the only thing that keeps me going. Keep praying, pursuing, and persuading...<i>and preaching!</i> I’ll never fully understand why some believers are so offended by the preaching of the gospel. In fact, they are hostile toward the word “preaching.” They have chosen to pity the sinner so much that they make preaching out to be offensive, intrusive, and arrogant. They presuppose that no imperfect man has the right to “preach” to another without acting as a hypocrite.

I guess in some slight sense, they are right. Being a preacher myself, I have felt the weight of knowing what a mess I’ve been and yet having the privilege of sharing a sermon. But Jesus has declared me righteous and told me to go and preach. And that is the only thing that keeps me going.

Keep praying, pursuing, and persuading…and preaching!

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