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The Coming Apostasy

Posted on Wednesday 23 January 2008 by Greg @ 9:35 am
Filed under: Rants

“The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.” 1 Timothy 4:1,2

I think we are beginning to see the firstfruits of the coming apostasy that Jesus promised and Paul predicted would mark the end of days. To be honest I think we are seeing it more within the church than outside it. Here are some reasons I think the Great Day (of Christ’s return) may be on it’s way and the bad days of apostasy may be closing in on us:

1. A growing emphasis on quasi or full on universalism.

You’d be suprised, maybe even shocked, how many well known “Christian” speakers and authors subscribe to some form of universalism (the belief that all of humanity will ultimately be redeemed whether or not they have put their faith in Jesus). They may cloak it in cool, uber-hip terms and drench it in relevant stories of humanity’s spiritual journey, but, underneath all of the philosophic verbage it is there like a festering sore filled with puss and heresy.

Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6). Peter emphasized that “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). Paul emphasized, “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:14).

I don’t know how anybody who takes the New Testament half way seriously could even consider the possibility that Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons, Hindus and others who have never put their faith alone in Christ alone will be with us in heaven.

Many of these hiptocons run to the powerful passage in Colossians 1 :20 that Christ will “reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross” and use it as a stick to beat their “all for one and one for all” drum. But the verses that immediately follow explain it even more, “Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant” Colossians 1:21-23.

This passage clearly states how we, as humans, are part of this ultimate reconciliation. It’s through faith!

Some would say, “well the passage says ‘all things’ will be redeemed so it must be everyone.” But if it’s everyone everywhere who goes to heaven whether or not they believe in Jesus there is a much bigger textual problem. What do you do with the countless passages that deal with the “elect”? What do you do with the abundance of passages that declare the urgent need to avoid God’s judgment through faith in Christ? What do you do with the doctrine of hell?

This crazy doctrinal cousin named “Hell” embarrasses us. He looms in chains in the basement, screaming out to be heard by the philophizing theologians blogging upstairs. But they can’t hear him screaming because their ipods are cranked up, listening to U2, Coldplay and Kierkegaardian podcasts of cool cat preachers emphasizing experiential spiritual journey…or whatever.

How do I explain this particular passage of all things being redeemed? Let me use the analogy of Noah and the Flood. Noah, in a sense, redeemed all things on the earth. He took two of every unclean kind of animal into the Ark. He brought seven of every clean kind (two for saving and five for for eating!). Although 99.9% of every living thing died on the earth through the great deluge in a sense Noah “redeemed all things” through the ark. He redeemed every kind of animal on the planet. The only qualification is that they came through the Ark door and were sealed in by God himself.

I Peter 3:20 eludes to Christ being the ark for us. Although much, if not most, of humanity will be destroyed in the deluge of God’s wrath, those who have put their faith in Jesus are sealed in the Ark of his love from the coming judgment.

The gods may not be angry, but there is an entire book of the Bible that details the wrath of the true and living God being poured out in full measure, bowl after bowl after bowl, on sinful humanity. It’s called the book of Revelation. I thank the Lord that I am sealed in the safety of his love through the ark door of Jesus Christ.

To be honest I don’t like the doctrine of hell. It is not enjoyable to me. If I were crafting my own religion I’d leave hell out of it, or at the least, leave it for Hitler and the like. But this thing called Christianity is not ours to tinker with. It is God’s. He is infinitely bigger than us, wiser than us, holier than us and merciful than us. We must trust him to sort it all out even if our puny minds don’t understand.

The first reason I believe that coming apostasy is creeping in is because of the spirit of universalism that is abounding. I’ll give you a second reason soon.

2. A tendency to de-emphasize, question or outright attack core theological truths.

To these spiritual journey mentors theology is more of a rubber band than a brick. It’s elasticity is proof of it’s power. No longer is core orthodox truth viewed as a definite reality but a give-and-take idea that evolves and changes with time.

The problem is that the way that doctrine is presented in the New Testament is always as a brick to build on, not a rubber band that stretches.

I could go on and on but I’m going to deal with some of this stuff in a upcoming Dare 2 Share Uncensored podcast series entitled, “Fighting Words.” Look for it on www.dare2share.org starting on February 1st.

Anyway, here’s a few other signs that I believe are preparing the way for the coming apostasy:

3. An overemphasis on “the red letters” of the Bible.

As if the black letters are any less inspired by Jesus!

4. An increasing skepticism toward certainty about anything.

According to Hebrews 11:1 the essence of faith is certainty about things not seen. In other words without confident certainty about anything we have a faithless Christianity. The unshakeable faith that old man Abraham demonstrated (see Romans 4:18-22) is the brand of faith that God applauds. Skepticism about what God clearly states is more than dangerous. It is diabolical. It is what the serpent in the garden was all about when he asked Eve, “Did God really say….?”

5. An overwhelming focus on conversations rather than conclusions.

Blah, blah, blah. I think of William Wallace’s comments about the nobles of his day, “All they do is talk”…meanwhile there’s a battle to fight for the souls of humanity. I think we are living in an age where many in the church who are accusing evangelicals of being arrogant (because they cling to the essentials of the faith) are doing so while spitting on 2,000 years of church orthodoxy in the name of relevance. You tell me which group is really arrogant.

6. A redefining of the gospel without propositions.

If I hear the word “incarnate” one more time (outside the context of the actual Incarnation of Christ) I think I’m going to puke. Sure we are called to live out the message in real and tangible ways but we are commanded to preach it as well. Love it or hate it the gospel is a propositional message (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:3,4) but in this message is packed in the TNT of God’s power. It is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes it’s propositions and the person of Jesus who proclamed them to begin with.

February 1st I challenge you to start watching the seven week “Fighting Words” series on www.dare2share.org.

Signed, Greg Stier

20 Comments for 'The Coming Apostasy'

  1. On January 23, 2008 @ 9:59 am Adam said:
    • Greg,

      C’mon man. You don’t need to be so smug- with the iPod, U2 comments, and reference to Mr. Bell’s tour.

      I find it ironic that your defense of scripture leads to an un-scriptural conclusion. Speculation of the end being near is clearly beyond human comprehension: “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”

      It would be equally smug of me to dismiss your methods of evangelism. You seem to prefer the threat of eternal punishment to spur people toward a faith in Christ. I would not deny the doctrine of hell, but I’m going to go with an “incarnational” faith in Christ. Because people can hear others talk about faith in Christ but if they don’t see any difference man, to them it’s just more empty claims.

      At Dare2Share conferences I remember you telling a story about being on an airplane, and you coached kids to ask their friends the question “Could you be wrong”? Have you ever asked yourself the same thing?

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  2. On January 23, 2008 @ 10:54 am Eddie said:
    • Greg,

      Great post. I see this all the time here in a university town. I get the “red letters” only comment and that makes sharing the gospel even easier in my opinion. Jesus gave the best gospel presentation in John 3 then I believe anywhere else in the Bible. And it’s in red. So I use it. It’s my favorite.

      I’ve come to realize that most people who cling to the “red letters” have never actually read them. They seem shocked to find out that Jesus actually did claim “I am the way, the truth, the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6).
      I also don’t see a reason to smack you around for claiming the end times are near. You didn’t give a date, a year, or try to start a cult or something. We don’t know when, but that doesn’t mean we can’t believe it’s today or tomorrow. We should live like it anyway. Paul seemed to have that end time, last second, hurry up and do something before its too late motivation in many of his writings. Christians sometimes need to be reminded that there will come an end and since we DON’T know when… it COULD be in the next few minutes. Why wait?

      And as far as the gospel goes, I’m a big common denominator guy. Jesus said it best in John 3:18… in red… “He that believeth not is condemned already…” That’s it. That’s the need for salvation. I don’t care if I have to scare someone with the reality that Jesus Himself used to scare Nicodemus.

      The fact is, we are faced with a lost and dying world that needs Jesus because they are ALREADY condemned. They are already separated from God just like we were. Telling them nice testimonies is great but the basic flat reality is that if they don’t place their faith in Jesus Christ alone before they die; their fate is already secured (eternal separation from God in hell).

      It’d be like trying to talk someone out of a burning building by telling them how great the weather feels outside instead of telling them about the flames and smoke closing in all around them. Some people just don’t care about the weather and would rather sit inside all day, but they’d get up and move if they knew they were about to be burned alive.

      Ever notice how the Bible tells us how to be saved yet so many say that all we have to do is “live” it without telling others? As if preaching the gospel is wrong and “living” it will miraculously bring people to trust in Christ. If that was the case, the Bible didn’t need to explain it either. That’s not the case. God tells us through His Word how to be saved. He likewise tells us, commands us, to do the same and tell others. How we live helps us present the message, but it’s NOT the message.

      Again, great post.

      Eddie

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  3. On January 23, 2008 @ 11:00 am Tony said:
    • Come on Greg,
      Tell us how you REALLY feel.

      How could you be so BOLD to think:
      He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”
      or to even wish for it:
      Amen. Come quickly, Lord Jesus.
      Don’t you think that the idea that Jesus might be coming “Soon” is just too unbiblical?

      And Greg, you should change Dare 2 Share’s mission statement to include something about “Living their Faith,” because without that, Adam’s right.

      Hope you come to your senses.

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  4. On January 23, 2008 @ 11:01 am Greg Stier said:
    • Hey Adam,

      Okay I take back my comments about U2 and Coldplay (I actually enjoy them) and don’t get me wrong I fully believe we should be living the life to back up our message (I try to but fall horribly short at times!) Howard Hendricks said living our message and sharing our message are like the two wings on an airplane…both are important. My problem is that I think that the pedulum (sp?) has swung from one side to the other completely. It feels like there is less and less an emphasis on the actual message of the gospel and a total emphasis on “look at me I’m like Jesus” evangelism. That’s why I like the definition of evangelism as “one beggar showing another beggar where to find the bread.”

      As for hell…I just spent a week with a Mormon, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, etc in Maui and guess one of the big topics of conversation (that they kept bringing up)…hell. I think this doctrine is vastly underestimated in the conversation.

      Thanks for chiming in…I knew I’d hear from you on this one! :)

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  5. On January 23, 2008 @ 11:18 am Adam said:
    • lol, I don’t know if you knowing you’d hear from me is good or bad!!!

      I guess what I’m getting at is I don’t see it in the scope of human authority for us to be judges of eternity or predictors of end times. I too have been approached about Hell. I’ve had folks come as me: “So, do you think Ghandi is in hell?” My response: “I hope not!” I don’t want to be the one to judge folks, but I also don’t want to deny the truth that Jesus was who he said he was, and that life has consequences. I’m just not going to start there!

      Once you wiped away Tony’s extensive sarcasm, he has some good points. I’m with you on the pendulum swinging- I just don’t want it to swing so far to looking forward to heaven so much that we bail on bringing the kingdom to Earth now, as Jesus commanded us to pray.

      C’mon, who wants a blog where everyone just says “Right on Greg”?

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  6. On January 23, 2008 @ 11:37 am Greg said:
    • Right on!

      Yeah, I think it’s now and later that we have to be concerned about. Eternal life starts when we believe in Jesus and extends into eternity. It doesn’t start when we die. I am trying to strike the balance and sometimes feel like the voice in the postmodern wilderness reminding everyone that the afterlife matters too!

      Not either/or…but both/and.

      I am working my butt off to snatch as many as I can out of the darkness, not just because I don’t want to see them go to hell, but I don’t want to see them live through hell on this earth apart from the joy of Jesus.

      Thanks bro!

      Right on!

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  7. On January 23, 2008 @ 1:05 pm Twenty Items of Interest (v.2) « Shane Vander Hart said:
    • […] Greg Steir writes on The Coming Apostasy, what he sees today with some in the Christian speaking […]

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  8. On January 23, 2008 @ 1:07 pm Steve said:
    • Greg,

      I like your rant (skimming the surface though) and look forward to the podcast.

      Your response needs a correction though:
      “Eternal life starts when we believe in Jesus” is wrong. Eternal life has started for all, the question is smoking or non-smoking? Eternal life WITH GOD starts when we believe in Jesus!

      Go Greg Go!

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  9. On January 23, 2008 @ 3:40 pm Will Bratina said:
    • Hey, buddy.
      Can’t wait for the podcast! New fodder for my Sunday schoolers (and me). Many priests and saints thank God that He Has Burdened your heart with His children who do not yet know Him.
      Go Jesus Go! And…… Right On Jesus!

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  10. On January 23, 2008 @ 4:02 pm Jen said:
    • Hey Tony!

      You would be happy to know that Dare 2 Share’s mission statement actually reads, “Energizing and equipping teenagers to know, LIVE, share and own their faith in Jesus!”

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  11. On January 23, 2008 @ 4:12 pm Brian said:
    • Amen!! Another great rant that I agree with. And you’re certainly not the only one working his butt off trying to snatch as many as possible out of the darkness. We’re ALL out here with you.

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  12. On January 24, 2008 @ 8:17 pm Becky said:
    • Greg,
      Good post very thought provoking.My bible teacher always says that eternity starts when you believe in Jesus.I am learning about Hinduism and other world religons and stuff.Its really cool.But anyways Let us GO out into the world and share Jesus with people who need the truth.

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  13. On January 25, 2008 @ 2:13 am James said:
    • I’ll never fully understand why some believers are so offended by the preaching of the gospel. In fact, they are hostile toward the word “preaching.” They have chosen to pity the sinner so much that they make preaching out to be offensive, intrusive, and arrogant. They presuppose that no imperfect man has the right to “preach” to another without acting as a hypocrite.

      I guess in some slight sense, they are right. Being a preacher myself, I have felt the weight of knowing what a mess I’ve been and yet having the privilege of sharing a sermon. But Jesus has declared me righteous and told me to go and preach. And that is the only thing that keeps me going.

      Keep praying, pursuing, and persuading…and preaching!

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  14. On January 25, 2008 @ 2:48 am Adam said:
    • Greg,

      check out my blog man: www.mustoe.blogspot.com

      I finally put some original material up there, so I don’t have to be the infamous naysayer! This is by no means a response to just you. I just wanted to articulate some of my theology, and some of the discussion will overlap with some things I’ve said here in reaction to your posts. I talked with Tony about it too. Can’t wait to see what you guys think. You know, we may disagree on some things, but I’ll pick you up from the St. Louis airport anytime!

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  15. On January 25, 2008 @ 10:34 am Ingrid Schlueter said:
    • Great post, Greg. With Brian McLaren denying the doctrine of the penal substitutionary atonement and the existence of a literal hell, we’re back to the old battles fought when the attacks on biblical truth were coming from the “modernists” (100 years ago). Now it’s the same old stuff repackaged for the “postmoderns”. The issues are always the same: the authority and sufficiency of the Bible, the existence of hell, the atonement, Jesus as the only way to heaven, etc. We’re fighting the same battles my grandfather fought in seminary. Please keep giving a warning and cautionary word. Rob Bell (who announced in Christianity Today that he and his wife were liberated to learn that the Bible was NOT divine fiat but rather the story of mans’ encounter with God) is one of the leading pied pipers for this kind of false teaching. If we are not frequently reminded of what God’s eternal Word says, we risk being seduced by these lies. God bless you.

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  16. On January 25, 2008 @ 11:23 am Greg said:
    • Thanks Ingrid! I just checked out your site. Looks like your hands full with all sorts of crazy beliefs floating out there. I agree that all of these battles have been fought before. Karl Barth and the boys’ false teachings have been regurgitated, recycled and reincarnated today…but this time it’s getting a real stronghold in the church. I think it’s tough for younger youth leaders (many of whom I’ve found don’t have a solid Biblical grid) to discern the wheat from the chaf so many get sucked up in the postmodern party without really thinking through it. My heart breaks for them. I hope and pray God uses Dare 2 Share to help be a balanced, Biblical voice in all of this ruckus to call youth leaders (and everyone for that matter) back to the authority of God’s Word and the Great Commission. It’s not just the damage that much of this false teaching is doing…it’s the huge distraction it is to the advancement of the gospel of Jesus Christ. In the words of Amy Carmichael we are making daisy chains while the long line of lost people walk over the cliff into the abyss of everlasting destruction.

      Speaking of that I’ve spent too much time blogging today (daisy chains?). There are people that need to hear the good news of Jesus!

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  17. On January 25, 2008 @ 8:44 pm jean said:
    • Greg,

      Praise God, you are one of the few youth ministries that is holding fast against the tide of postmodern…..dare I say, heresy! It seems the church is caught up now in the bewitching of the church mentioned in Galatians….did the church ever realize when it was asleep what it would wake up to. May the Lord have mercy and continue to sanctify the true church to Himself and may He show mercy to those who have been deceived by all the charms of emergent, seeker friendly, mystic driven hirelings.

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  18. On January 29, 2008 @ 8:57 pm jim elliott said:
    • Greg,
      I appreciate your discussion of this topic and agree with your 6 points. I am just a parent that is looking into what my teenager will be doing at dare2share. I was drawn to this topic because I think I see this handwriting on the wall so-to-speak. And it is my greatest concern for the coming generations. I see other signs too. Such as the increase in knowledge, which leads to self sufficiency and puffed up deception of pride. I went to a state university and saw it as a huge pitfall back then. Clearly it has become more of an issue in this day. The entertainment industry is always trying to surpass itself in terms of perceived realism and shock value. I must confess a that I have found apostasy creeping up in me due to an imbalance in my priorities. I have recently begun to use my computer skills to learn to be the web master for a church website. I have found that there are resources to attempt to get the attention of those who need to hear the message. But the church needs to more fully use the latest tools to present the same tried and true, truth of God to the coming generations. The coming apostasy may indeed be an issue at the heart of the church.
      Thanks for making this discussion possible.

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  19. On February 26, 2008 @ 4:12 pm Pastor Scott said:
    • Greg,
      I agree that there is a balance that has to take place, but the world is looking for a life “lived” in front of them that is holy, not just preached to them. Sure we may “fall short”, but we don’t have to! The Holy Spirit(the least talked about part of the Trinity) can and will fill us completely so that we can live holy and “righteous in this present age” according to Titus 2. We don’t have to wait until after we die to be righteous and holy. We can and must live it in this life man! None of this cop out theology of “I’m just human and I sin every day in word, thought, or deed”. There’s a name for that a “sinner”. Sinners won’t be in heaven. They will be in hell–a real place that the Bible is clear about. Let’s stop giving a mixed message to this generation that “you need to have faith in Jesus and then try to live right, but don’t worry if you sin, you’re only human and everyone does” garbage. That’s why the church is in the situation that we are in. The world sees no difference in our daily lives than the world. I’m not some “holy roller” that thinks the evidence of being filled with the Holy Spirit is some kind of babbling and rolling around on the floor like animals. When we experience the sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit our lives are radically changed–our speech, our actions, our reactions, and our thought life. That is the true evidence of full salvation. C’mmon Greg let’s think this through. We’re evangelizing people by the masses, but it there’s no lifestyle change, homes being mended, relationships being restored, communities affected, what are we accomplishing? I’m with you on 99% though man! Keep up the good work–just add a holy life to your message and mission!

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  20. On June 21, 2008 @ 9:29 am Caffeinated Thoughts - » Twenty Items of Interest (v.2) said:
    • […] Greg Steir writes on The Coming Apostasy, what he sees today with some in the Christian speaking […]

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