• Home
  • My Story
  • My MAP
  • Shreddin' the Gnar
  • Register
  • Log in

gregstier.org

Rantings of a Jesus-loving, raving lunatic

Categories

  • Conferences (27)
  • God Moments (9)
  • Home Sweet Home (23)
  • MAP (12)
  • Rants (435)
  • Youth Ministry (14)
Discuss Ministry Mutiny Principals

Twitter Updates

    follow me on Twitter

    Favorite Websites

    • Christian Post
    • Dare 2 Share
    • Deep & Wide Blog
    • Derwin Gray
    • Group Magazine
    • Interl’inc
    • Rob Kelly
    • Tim Schmoyer
    • Youth Specialties

    Syndicate

    • General RSS Feed
    • Subscribe to MyMSN
    • Subscribe to MyYahoo!
    • Subscribe to Google Reader
    • Subscribe to Bloglines
    • Subscribe to Newsgator
    Blaze Youth Ministry Conference Tour

    The Catalytic Cross (or “Why I don’t think some people liked my Youth Specialties talk last night”)

    Posted on Monday 5 November 2007 by Greg @ 6:18 pm
    Filed under: Rants

    I just got back from Youth Specialties (the largest attended youth leader training organization in the world.) YS brings together all sorts of youth leaders from all sorts of denominations to equip, refresh, provoke and entertain them for four days. They also bring together a rather eclectic array of divergent teachers, preachers and artists to minister to these hard working heroes.

    For the general sessions YS has had far righters such as Jerry Falwell (may he rest in peace) to left of centrist station “ers” such as Rob Bell (may he NOOMA in peace) and just about everyone in between. I had the privilege of preaching to on the main stage last night.

    I could tell as I was preaching my message that some in the audience were responding in a very positive way and that others…not so much. My sermon was on the centrality of the message of the cross to effective ministry in a postmodern culture. My text was 1 Corinthians 1:10-18. Here were my main points and a little of the content that I was trying to communicate.

    1. The message of the cross unites our efforts.

    I reminded the audience that whether they were Baptist, Presbyterian, Episcopalian, non denominational or other denominational if they have put their faith alone in Christ alone then we were united in a kind of communion of the soul by the torn body and shed blood of Christ. Whatever someone’s philosophy of ministry is (“I am of Doug Fields” or “I am of Ron Luce” or “I am of Duffy Robbins”) if they have put their faith in Jesus then we are blood brothers/sisters in Jesus.

    The cross unifies our efforts without compromising our theology because on top of Mt. Calvary all of the great doctrines that make Christianity Christian come together. As we look up to the body of Jesus on the cross we see the deity and humanity of Jesus. We see the Trinity (Jesus filled with the Spirit calling out to the Father). And, of course, we are reminded of the salvation of offered through faith in his sacrifice for our sins. But we also take a 360 degree panoramic view from Golgotha and we can see the empty tomb in the distance in which he would soon be buried and soon after conquer death from. We see hundreds of prophecies from the Old Testament that were literally fulfilled in his life and his death, thereby confirming the reliability of the Holy Scriptures. When we take a glance to one side of Jesus we see the reality of heaven as we view the thief who believed in Jesus and as we look at the other side of the cross as we see the reality of hell for the sneering thief who rejected Jesus as being the Savior of mankind.

    Rather than an ecumenical movement where we just hold hands in the name of Jesus, pour honey all over each other and sing “Kum-ba-yah” the cross demands we hold on to the core truths of Christ (salvation, redemption, the Trinity, the Kenosis, the resurrection, heaven and hell) and reject a forced unity based on anything less.

    2. The message of the cross clarifies our priorities.

    Paul said, “Christ sent me not to baptize but to preach the gospel.” Christ sent me not to _______ but to preach the gospel (you fill in the blank.) Christ sent me not to blog, coordinate activities, go to more meetings, counsel teenagers…but to preach the gospel. We may need to do other things as we do our jobs but our overriding call is to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ.

    Here is where I asked the youth leaders how they were doing when it comes to preaching the gospel to their teenagers, their neighbors, their families and their friends. Here is where I really started to feel some tension in the room (not from the majority but from enough people to make me take notice.)

    3. The message of the cross transforms our ministries.

    That same passage tells us that “the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to those of us who are being saved it is the power of God.” My point? That we who are “saved” from the penalty of sin through the death of Christ are still “being saved” from the power of sin by the crucifixion of Jesus. So we must be humble as we preach the cross because we still need it ourselves. That’s why my favorite definition of evangelism is “one beggar showing another beggar where the bread is.” We still need the Bread of Life to sustain us every single day as we battle against sin in our lives.

    Maybe it was the conclusion of the sermon that made a few people squirm more than anything else. It went something like,

    “It seems to me that youth ministry is in a fog. But through the fog we can see the outline of the cross perched on a hill in the distance. We need to take our students there. Youth ministry is not a philosophy class where we are called to endlessly discuss and debate the latest, greatest ideologies of the next new thing. Nor is it a shopping mall where we walk aisle after aisle to see what will appeal to our teenagers for the next 6-8 weeks. Youth ministry is not an entertainment center where we play a lot of games while building relationships along the way. No youth ministry is a journey, a journey to Calvary, the place of the skull, a journey to the broken body of our Savior, a journey to the heart of the gospel message that is considered foolish by the world but to those of us who are being saved it is the power of God. Lead your teenagers on that journey.”

    This morning in the hotel lobby I’ve heard a lot of positive feedback from those youth leaders who resonated with my message. But I’ve also had a lot of awkward eye contact moments with those who (I think) didn’t. I guess the message of the cross is just as catalytic now as it always has been.

    Thanks Youth Specialties for allowing me the privilege of preaching the Word from your stage!

    Signed, Greg Stier
    42 Comments

    42 Comments for 'The Catalytic Cross (or “Why I don’t think some people liked my Youth Specialties talk last night”)'

    1. On November 5, 2007 @ 7:16 pm Brian said:
      • AWESOME message! Thanks for sharing. Despite any negative looks you may have gotten your message is needed. Everyone in youth ministry needs to be reminded what our core purpose is…preaching the gospel. Thanks Greg!

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Brian's comment

    2. On November 5, 2007 @ 8:10 pm Dave Miers said:
      • Amen. Australia needs more Christ-exalting, Cross-centred Youth Ministry (http://eternalweightofglory.blogspot.com/2007/10/nymc-14-preaching-christ-crucified.html)
        It sounds like America needs it too.

        Keep preaching Christ… dead… buried… risen… appeared (1Cor15)

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Dave Miers's comment

    3. On November 5, 2007 @ 8:10 pm Lucy said:
      • Hmm. I agree with all your points. Why didn’t they?

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Lucy's comment

    4. On November 5, 2007 @ 9:10 pm Will Bratina said:
      • Greg, I CAN’T WAIT for Denver this Friday!! My youngest son, who never wants to go anywhere his big brother is present, had the revelation he is going to his first D2S! I am praying this event is a Powerful One for him and everyone in attendance, my brother. Lifting up Derwin, Zane, Stellar Kart, Washington Project, you and anyone and everyone involved with bringing our Savior to Feed His hungry children as only He can Feed us! PRAYIN’ PRAYIN’ PRAYIN’!!

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Will Bratina's comment

    5. On November 6, 2007 @ 5:16 am Todd said:
      • Greg, my first conference as a youth pastor 2 years ago was YS. But lastest conference was D2S DC this past weekend. Your youth leader training on “Deep and Wide” is the best youth leader training I’ve been too. Thanks for being faithful to delivering the message that will cut through the fog of youth ministry. Mutiny now!

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Todd's comment

    6. On November 6, 2007 @ 9:50 am Keith said:
      • Greg,

        I was super stoked when I heard the message you delivered. In this time of watered-down ‘Christianity’ I think it is a tremendous thing to remind youth workers that the only reason that we do any of this is all because of the cross.

        I just want to encourage you, thank you for speaking the truth of God’s holy word! Your passion is not only an inspiration to my youth, but to me as well. Thanks, man!

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Keith's comment

    7. On November 6, 2007 @ 10:07 am Ed said:
      • Well, if that’s what you said, then you did just fine.

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Ed's comment

    8. On November 6, 2007 @ 10:18 am Scott Eaton said:
      • Greg,

        Your problem is that you have yet to discover “The Secret Message of Jesus.” You’re still clinging to all that old-time, gospel preaching of a Savior who died on a cross for my sins. You have yet to “Reimagine Preaching” by continuing the conversation about what is really true. No, you just preach the Word – Christ crucified and risen again. You have the audacity to tell people that sin is sin and that God burns in his wrath against sinners. You have the nerve to believe and delclare that people are bound for the burning fires of hell unless they believe upon the sinless One who bore the full weight God’s wrath for sinners at Calvary. How dare you to share!

        It’s enough to cause some people to take their “Velvet Elvis” of the wall and go home.

        As always, your friend and brother,

        Scott

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Scott Eaton's comment

    9. On November 6, 2007 @ 10:40 am Truman said:
      • Greg, you are SUCH a breath of fresh air! I’ve been down with a nasty cold since Friday, and unfortunately I couldn’t sleep much at nights. I wound up watching a lot of late night TV. Hoo-boy, what a load of garbage. I don’t mean the Hollywood stuff, but the snake-oil salesmen claiming to be prophets of Christ!

        Some of these were paid ads on cable: one man was offering free “spiritual holy water”, another was offering free “blood of Christ,” another was offering free “prayer cloths,” and two more were offering prayers of power if you just sent in some money. All of them guaranteed — guaranteed!! — to unleash God’s power into your life by drinking their water or sprinkling their blood or sending them $1,000 **immediately**. And what would this great cash register/vending machine in the sky do? Why, he would heal their tumors, give them money, pay their debts, buy them cars and new houses!

        Oh, joy!

        And, oh, the parade of people came forward to claim their heaven-sent booty in the name of God!

        Tumors healed! Bills paid! Houses bought! Cars driven! Diabetes gone! (which ticks me off considering my son has type 1 diabetes.)

        I watched all of this with a mixture of sadness and outrage.

        NOT ONCE was Christ preached. NOT ONCE was forgiveness of sins discussed. NOT ONCE was the peace that surpasses all human understanding given even a nodding pass. NOT ONCE was the cross used except as a prop. It was all gimme, gimme, gimme, and if you don’t have faith or my holy water/holy blood/holy cloth/prayer system (or—ahem—send us $$$) the Lord won’t do squat for you.

        I am a sinner, and God knows my sins. I pray that someone reaches these people who are on the wide road to destruction.

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Truman's comment

    10. On November 6, 2007 @ 10:48 am bruthakurt said:
      • Greg, you are right on with your preaching. If they have a problem with you, i think that they have a bigger problem with God and their own relationship with Him. I pray for you and the boldness to preach what is hard to listen to, even for myself. I, too, am a sinner saved by God’s grace. I, too, want to unleash the power of the gospel message so that more souls will be saved with the real truth of God’s love and desire for us to be with Him. Great job, Greg! Thank you for a wonderful and much needed sermon. Stay strong and see you in
        St. Louey!

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to bruthakurt's comment

    11. On November 6, 2007 @ 2:55 pm Josh said:
      • Greg I was at the YS Convention and thought your preaching was right on. I sat in the front row continuing to thing, “this is what it’s all about”. So many people come and preach on different subjects (which is fine) but you had the courage to step up and bring us back to the cross. It was a message that I needed (as a youth leader) and a message that I found very encouraging. After leaving that general session I really wanted to go out and share. Thank you so much Mr. Stier for letting God use you this weekend.

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Josh's comment

    12. On November 6, 2007 @ 2:59 pm Andy said:
      • Greg, thank you for the talk. We all needed to hear it! Unfortunately, there are people who are analyzing and over analyzing your message. Do not be discouraged, you are sharing a time proven message to a group of people that need to be challenged and re-challenged. Sadly, many of us started our ministries with the desire to share the Good News with every student that we came in contact with…now I’m not so sure. May God strengthen you and removed any doubts (the Enemy had tried to plan in your mind)about the call God has given you. Peace unto you.

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Andy's comment

    13. On November 6, 2007 @ 4:25 pm Kyle said:
      • Hey Greg, just remember the words of Jesus in John 15:18-27…

        18If the people of this world [a] hate you, just remember that they hated me first. 19If you belonged to the world, its people would love you. But you don’t belong to the world. I have chosen you to leave the world behind, and that is why its people hate you. 20Remember how I told you that servants are not greater than their master. So if people mistreat me, they will mistreat you. If they do what I say, they will do what you say. 21People will do to you exactly what they did to me. They will do it because you belong to me, and they don’t know the one who sent me. 22If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. But now they have no excuse for their sin.

        23Everyone who hates me also hates my Father. 24I have done things that no one else has ever done. If they had not seen me do these things, they would not be guilty. But they did see me do these things, and they still hate me and my Father too. 25That is why the Scriptures are true when they say, “People hated me for no reason.”

        26I will send you the Spirit who comes from the Father and shows what is true. The Spirit will help [b] you and will tell you about me. 27Then you will also tell others about me, because you have been with me from the beginning.

        Don’t get discouraged when the world starts hatin’ on your message or your method, because they hated Jesus first and they’ll hate anyone associated with Him (that is, until they come to know, live, share, and own what it means to be in a relationship with Him!).

        Thanks for your continued partnership in ministry…

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Kyle's comment

    14. On November 6, 2007 @ 5:56 pm Jamie Hamblet said:
      • THANK YOU, Greg, for providing a message this past weekend that, sadly, was missing until you arrived. Your afternoon seminar and main session preaching was, and is, a breath of fresh air. Thank you for your help with my personal questions, and your strong stand for the Truth. Without the Gospel message, Jesus is just another man. If there is anything I can do for you and your ministry, you have my card. We will be praying for you at FEFC, and hope to see you in ND sometime. God bless, my new friend.

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Jamie Hamblet's comment

    15. On November 6, 2007 @ 9:28 pm Greg said:
      • thanks for a great message at YS. It is great to see you stand for the cross when many others do not want too. Thanks also for the book. I read it this evening and will be giving it to teen to read tomorrow night.

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Greg's comment

    16. On November 6, 2007 @ 10:32 pm Bill said:
      • Greg-

        I was in St. Louis for YS and heard you speak during the general session. I had never heard you speak before, but was excited when I saw you were the President of d2s. I have heard from so many how much the d2s ministry has blessed them and their youth. Someone shared this article with me, and I was perplexed when I read the sub-title: “Why I don’t think some people liked my Youth Specialties talk last night”.

        As I read through your article, while most of the words seem to be positive, it has an over-arching critical spirit. I found this affirmed by the rah-rah “yeah, let’s get ‘em” mentality of most of your responses. So I thought I’d offer my thoughts on your talk:

        -you seemed less articulate in person than you did in your article above. While I agree that you have captured the essence of what you said, and even included some exact quotes, it came off much different from the pulpit.

        -I can’t speak for everyone, but I was physically, emotionally, and spiritually exhausted by the time you took the stage.

        -One quote that burned into my brain was during the “fill-in-the-blank” portion of your sermon. You said, “Christ sent me not to ‘love on kids’ but to preach the gospel.” While I know this statement is correct, you must have known it was loaded when speaking to this crowd, who eat, sleep, and breathe to ‘love on kids’. I believe that was your intent–to strike at the heart of whatever people were holding dearer than the gospel–and while, again, that is correct, you can’t expect people to be too excited about it.

        -lastly, I sort of felt like you were scolding all of us. Maybe you were. Now you were yelling and all, but several pastors had done that. To me, the message came off as corrective, like getting called on the carpet by your parents. As if you had us all figured out and we needed to be told how wrong we were.

        Even with all that being said, I believe your message was spot on, and needed to be heard by every youth worker there, including me. I am thrilled YS invited you to speak and you rose to the challenge and in turn challenged us. I wrote one simple note during your session:

        “Yes, but how would we communicate the gospel if we could not speak?”

        But I guess that is your point, because most of us can….

        I pray G_d will continue to bless you and your ministry.

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Bill's comment

    17. On November 6, 2007 @ 11:42 pm Shane Vander Hart said:
      • Great post Greg, I’m sure there were those who wouldn’t resonate with your sermon. I wouldn’t have been one of them though! Keep preaching the word! I’m looking forward to seeing d2s in Lincoln!

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Shane Vander Hart's comment

    18. On November 7, 2007 @ 8:49 am Shawn said:
      • Greg,

        Great job and kudos. You are right on as usual. I don’t think people understand the “fill in the blank” portion. Paul obviously wasn’t saying he did not come to baptize. He did baptize both before and after just as the Great Commission had demanded. He was saying that he did come only to baptize. Any one thing that we do in youth ministry is a Boytown or Big Brother, Big Sister moment if it is not followed up by the truth of Christ preached. No matter what you fill that blank with, it is not good enough without the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the truth of the death, burial, and ressurection; the obvious doctrine of heaven and hell throughout the bible (no matter how you view truth); and the choice each person has to follow Jesus or deny his place in your life.

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Shawn's comment

    19. On November 7, 2007 @ 10:18 am Truman said:
      • Greg, forgot to add that you always rock when you come to St. Louis, especially because you know that you are merely a channel, a vessel for God’s word. Bless you and your ministry, and we look forward to “Survive” in February!

        D2S keeps getting bigger and bigger every year in STL.

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Truman's comment

    20. On November 7, 2007 @ 12:59 pm scochenour said:
      • Hey Greg,

        Sorry I haven’t stepped into Starbucks lately, and it sounds like it’s busy season for you, so I’m sure you’ve got enough going on.

        About a year ago I read an article from a big-wig with YS who was apologizing for the role that YS played in the program driven youth ministry that has been “youth ministry” for the past 30+ years. It was really interesting. Maybe I’ll do some looking around and see if I can find it and put a link up here. Anyways, I know that this might shock you, but I agree with what you put up. I know that you don’t need to be qualified by a young emergent type, but it’s great to hear that you brought the heat.

        My walk away from traditional church has had a lot to do with this. I’m not too concerned with the method’s people use to preach a cross-centered gospel as long as it’s being preached. I was having trouble seeing that around me. I feel like I’m having to understand the cross not as something to consume, but something that consumes me.

        If I can stir up the pot a bit I will say this: I’m tired of finger pointing among those who claim to stand at the foot of the cross. We (read: those who stand at the foot of the cross) a wasting our time if our lives, out families, and our churches aren’t being transformed by the cross. I know we have the ability to obtain information from anywhere in the world, but if we are just pointing fingers at “those people over there” and are not focusing on the lives of people directly in front of us, we are missing the whole point of the gospel. (end rant)

        The Lord be with you

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to scochenour's comment

    21. On November 7, 2007 @ 3:58 pm Barbara said:
      • I, along with my husband and two of his youth minister friends and their wives, were at the YS convention in St. Louis. I thought your message was fabulous- because at the end of the day, no matter how many bells and whistles we have in our youth programs, all that matters is whether or not we are pointing our kids to Christ. Thank you for standing for truth!

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Barbara's comment

    22. On November 7, 2007 @ 4:17 pm Adam said:
      • Hi Greg,

        I was at the YS convention in St. Louis, I also heard you speak last year in Austin. I’ve been to Dare2Share twice and I was the dude who dropped off some of the good folks from D2S at their hotel in St. Charles.

        I think you were right in bringing up the centrality of the cross in the reality of our lives and that we should make that reality known in the ministries God has entrusted us with. You know what, it took a lot of guts to get up there and just lay it out like you did.

        I think some of the looks you got were because you use the same lines. The joke about the tattooed, beer guzzling women/the flaming poodles/the “man it’s hot in here” “ya know Hell is hot too”/etc. Don’t get me wrong it was very funny, but I’ve heard it a couple different times.

        I think the message you gave was great. But Greg, when I go to your Dare2Share conferences, it’s very entertainment based. You guys put up video clips every 15 minutes or something like that. You’ve told us the strategy- keep it movin every so often to keep them on their toes. Lots of lights, lots of music, lots of video clips, lots of crowd participation (I remember somebody throwing out donuts). Doesn’t that sound like entertainment?

        When you first read your scripture you were going to preach on, I was eager to hear what you would do with the words “being saved”. I LOVED that last part- that we need to be humble because we are still struggling. I LOVED what you did with the lesbian protesters- identifying with them, not being above them.

        I think what is missing from the content of your messages is the reality of the kingdom of God, I didn’t see that in your list of the Core truths about Christ. That Jesus came not ONLY that we may be saved from hell and from the wages of sin- but also so that we may have life on earth as it will be in heaven.

        I am uncomfortable with the fact that in virtually all of your Dare2Share materials, even in your sermon, you quote from Paul and do not draw upon Christ’s own words. It’s like you have taken Jesus message and turned it into a math problem using excerpts from Paul’s letters plus a dash of Revelation’s eschatology.

        I believe the more we live and preach Christ crucified, resurrected, AND that we can be citizens in his Kingdom, the more transformation we will see in people’s lives. Not just when we go to a conference or youth specialties event, but in all the areas of our life.

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Adam's comment

    23. On November 7, 2007 @ 6:07 pm Donna said:
      • hi, greg,
        as one who was miraculously freed– by Jesus– thirteen years ago from my own bondage to same-sex attraction, i am encouraged to hear of a protestant brutha who still lifts up the Cross. only at the foot of the Cross is there true freedom, love, grace, mercy, forgiveness and peace. yes, preach it!
        in Christ’s love,
        http://www.myspace.com/donna_ellis

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Donna's comment

    24. On November 7, 2007 @ 6:16 pm Donna said:
      • p.s.
        i do not feel i have somehow “arrived” in the Faith, by any sense of the word! i do make frequent use of that wonderful sacrament of reconciliation. but as for the homosexuality, i don’t know why He did, but He lifted that one from me pretty much immediately, glory to God. i know other Christians who struggle in this area. well, i struggle in other areas. let us be converted, by His grace, *daily*, moment by moment even, to His beautiful image!
        :-)

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Donna's comment

    25. On November 7, 2007 @ 6:29 pm Greg Stier said:
      • Hey everyone, Thanks for your excellent insights (and rants.) Thanks Steve for giving a little love from the Emergent corner. Drop into Starbucks sometime and lets talk about the cross even more. Thanks Adam for the reminder to preach the kingdom of God as well (after all Jesus prayed, “thy kingdom come”). Believe me, I LOVE the gospels. They are sometimes just harder to preach. And, if Jesus inspired all of the Bible then in a sense when I preach Paul I preach Jesus. Afterall, the Spirit of Jesus inspired his writings just as much as the words Jesus spoke. They’re all red letters man! And Donna, thanks for sharing your struggle and your victory through Jesus! Last, but not least thanks for your encouragement Truman and Barabara and everyone else. Check out http://www.ysmarko.com to see some of the pushback.

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Greg Stier's comment

    26. On November 7, 2007 @ 6:32 pm Adam said:
      • Greg, i just wanted to encourage you because what you said at the convention was the resounding gong of what our youth pastor has been telling us since day one. You were amazing! Honestly, besides Chris Hill, Marko, and Duffy, it seemed like the others were just there reading with no immediate interest in the audience. Thank you for such a great message! I hope to see you in Lincoln, NE for D2S!

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Adam's comment

    27. On November 7, 2007 @ 9:11 pm Adam said:
      • Greg,

        This is the cool part about blogs, to facilitate honest discussion and that is definitely taking place.

        You are very graceful in your reactions. I loved what you said about the wings on the plane.

        Thanks for taking hits from people like me, I really respect what you do. Great point about Paul’s writings. I hope to post some of my thoughts about salvation in the next couple days over on my blog, and I would welcome your thoughts.

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Adam's comment

    28. On November 7, 2007 @ 9:20 pm Kevin said:
      • Greg,
        Thnaks for your posts and responses today. For me the focus of Jesus ministry is not simply the cross but the life and ministry of Jesus. It’s about the life, the judgement, cross, and the empty tomb. It’s so much more than the cross.

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Kevin's comment

    29. On November 7, 2007 @ 9:36 pm Becky said:
      • Well thats a good message!

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Becky's comment

    30. On November 7, 2007 @ 9:57 pm justin hanneken said:
      • Greg, I want to say a few things that you may or may not agree with. Surely after Survive: DC, you guys got tons and tons of affirmations. i know because you all deserved them. i gave some, other youth pastors gave some, I saw Jason flooded with guys all weekend who wanted to thank him and affirm him. It seems to me that deep down inside, you are craving those same affirmations after YS. How can I make such a claim? because I’ve been there! I know what you are going through man – and it is Satan, who wants you to think people are against you or disagreed with you – dude, we need to remember: Who cares?! We answer to the Father! We find peace in the Spirit! The things that the Spirit leads people to say – especially with regards to the cross, are foolishness to this perishing world! Greg, a lot of those peeps who wanted to diss you for what you said, might not have even been saved! If you challenged people to personally share the Gospel and they got all weird about it – THAT’S ON THEM! they have to answer the Father, I affirm, Greg, that you did what you were called to do. EVEN MORE THAN THAT, you didn’t go up on the stage (from what it sounds) like so many guys do at YS and try to promote their event, their tour, their books, their stuff. Please tell me you didn’t do that – it sounds like you didn’t, but I wasn’t there. I love you buddy – may the affirmation of the Son of God, Jesus, be all you ever need (more than enough)…

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to justin hanneken's comment

    31. On November 8, 2007 @ 12:06 am Amy said:
      • Blessings on you for your continued commitment to preach Christ. Not Christ + programs. Or Christ + entertainment. Or Christ + the latest whatever. Christ alone. God did the hardest thing possible to make it so easy for us. And yet we long to burden ourselves with the trappings. Oh, the freedom that Jesus wants us to have! Thank you for being faithful to the call that God has on your life. You’re such a blessing. Our whole youth staff was incredibly blessed by your message in St. Louis. So wonderful. So needed. So refreshing. Blessings on you…

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Amy's comment

    32. On November 8, 2007 @ 9:02 am Chuck said:
      • I just wanted to share what I posted on Marko’s Site:
        Wow, it is amazing how we can let satan, so easily, get us off task. The point of the message was the Cross of Christ. We need to make sharing the message of the cross a priority in our ministry. It was about watching the power of the Gospel at work. So are we talking about how we can more effectively share the message of the Cross, no we sitting here bushing a guy whose heart is seeing lives changed through the power of the gospel. It is sad that we are more concerned whether we feel comfortable at a stupid convention than the lost and hurt youth in our areas. This is just stupid. Why is there not an idea blog about getting the message of the cross out to a hurt and dying world. No we would rather pick apart a challenging message and complain about our “Feelings” being hurt. We allow our feelings to governing us. It is not God’s Word that guides us it is our feelings. I’m just glad Jesus didn’t let His feelings guide him in the Garden. You know, satan allowed his feeling to make decisions for him, and look where that got him.

        Keep preaching the message of the cross. Our youth and myself are looking forward to D2S in Atlanta.

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Chuck's comment

    33. On November 8, 2007 @ 1:32 pm Why Christianity is Disappearing in America said:
      • [...] message that he gave at a youth leader’s conference. (You can find the premise of his message on his blog here) His message was plain, and extremely honest. He spoke of the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross as [...]

      • Permalink to Why Christianity is Disappearing in America's comment

    34. On November 8, 2007 @ 1:36 pm Rob Swiger said:
      • I’m just not getting what the big deal is. You’re just stating what the Bible does say on both points. Keep up the great work, Greg!!!

        Peace, love and Jesus – Rob

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Rob Swiger's comment

    35. On November 8, 2007 @ 3:47 pm Greg Stier said:
      • Thanks so much everybody for all your insights,thought provoking and encouragement. I read all the comments (even though I don’t have time to personally respond to everyone) and think about them. I ask myself “Is there a truth that God is seeking to communicate to me through this comment?” and much of the time there is. I’ve really prayed about all this stuff this week. I’m glad I preached the sermon that God gave me. If I could go back I may adjust a few things in my sermon (for instance I tend to get loud when I get excited) but I truly believe that I sought to preach the sermon God gave me. I won’t shrink from doing so if I ever get invited back to YS…or anywhere else for that matter. There is only one person whose approval I’m afraid of not getting and he is the one who died for my sins. Look, I’m back at the cross again! Thanks again everyone!

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Greg Stier's comment

    36. On November 15, 2007 @ 11:51 am Rob said:
      • I was at the conference with my youth leaders and couldn’t have been happier with what you said. Even in a room with 3,500 youth leaders…There’s still people that need to hear the Gospel…and you gave it man! Awesome job!

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Rob's comment

    37. On November 16, 2007 @ 8:16 pm Rob said:
      • Greg,

        Based on your blog responses to your YS talk in St Louis, I’d say you’re not very thick-skinned. You seem anxious in seeking people’s approval for your “resonating message” and concerning yourself with the silent feedback and the funny eye contact from others. So what! Your 3 points in your entry above seem fundamentally sound. However, you don’t leave much room for anyone who didn’t receive it the way you intended or who disagree with you. Yes, people who affirm the authority of Christ, scripture, the cross can and will disagree with you. That’s because you are a fallen man amongst fallen people. Just because you claim to preach the “catylitc message of the cross” doesn’t make you God’s spokesman or that you did your job well. Get over yourself dude. I’d be more impressed if you stop repeating your message and inviting people to read the “pushback” (you loaded the dice with your choice of words there) and acknowledge that just maybe, you can be taught something by this and that you’ll prayerfully consider other points of view. To say youth ministry is a journey rather than foggy programmed entertainment is pretty redundant now. We get it and many youth directors never went that route in the first place. Calling this trend out just sells books. Perhaps these youth professionals were expecting something a little more insightful than just a Sunday school lesson about the Cross. Perhaps they were offended by the Gospel that they presumably teach and your talk was exactly what they needed to hear. Either way, why dwell on the feedback?

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Rob's comment

    38. On November 17, 2007 @ 9:19 am Greg said:
      • Good point Rob. There are other sermons that need to be preached now (I’m get to preach one today!). To be honest I was just surprised at the degree of the pushback I got from the sermon. I really didn’ think there would be much disagreement at all with what I was saying. Who knows? But I’m moving on now. Thanks for the reminder not to dwell on the feedback. This whole thing kind of caught me off guard Rob. I’ve NEVER had anything like this happen before. It’s very intereting to me. Thank you for your reminder to move on.

        [Reply to this comment]

      • Permalink to Greg's comment

    39. On December 20, 2007 @ 10:07 am gregstier.org » Chambers on the preaching of the cross said:
      • [...] over a month ago I preached a sermon on the cross that stirred up some controversy. A friend of mine just forwarded me this powerful [...]

      • Permalink to gregstier.org » Chambers on the preaching of the cross's comment

    40. On December 28, 2007 @ 9:32 am ron luce | Article find news said:
      • [...] The Catalytic Cross or ???Why I don??t think some people liked my Youth Specialties talk last night?… [...]

      • Permalink to ron luce | Article find news's comment

    41. On December 31, 2007 @ 12:08 pm gregstier.org » My 10 favorite moments of 2007 said:
      • [...] did I know that my sermon would lead to such controversy. But I really loved preaching at YS in St. Louis this year. There’s something about [...]

      • Permalink to gregstier.org » My 10 favorite moments of 2007's comment

    42. On November 20, 2008 @ 11:34 am gregstier.org » Youth Specialties in Nashville said:
      • [...] Please pray that God uses my training seminar to encourage and equip everyone who attends my session regardless of their bent. Pray that I don’t needlessly cause any trouble…like last year! [...]

      • Permalink to gregstier.org » Youth Specialties in Nashville's comment

    Name (required)

    e-mail (required)

    Website

    Information for comment users

    • Line and paragraph breaks are implemented automatically.
    • Your e-mail address is never displayed.
    • Please consider what you're posting.
    • No HTML is allowed at this time.
    • You can also register or login.

    Click to cancel reply

    Free Youth Ministry Christian Resources.
    Copyright 2010 Dare 2 Share Ministries International.

    Free Youth Ministry Christian Resources