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Pray Forrest! Pray!

Posted on Tuesday 27 November 2007 by Greg @ 9:42 am
Filed under: Rants

I was on a plane a few weeks ago sitting next to a very nice lady who was reading Fresh Wind, Fresh Fire by Jim Cymbala. Although the book came out years ago I never got around to reading it. Although I didn’t want to interrupt her (she was devouring the book) I couldn’t help myself. I asked her what she thought of it. She gushed on and on about the impact the book had had on her prayer life.

“I’ll have to pick it up” was my quick response. I knew she wanted to get back to her book.

About an hour later she said, “I’m done. It’s yours. You need to read this book.”

She was right.

Although I’m only half way through I’m already convicted about my prayer life. It’s not that I don’t pray a lot. I do. My day is full of short prayers to my big God. From time to time I go to a park and walk and pray (yes I’m barely coordinated enough to do both at the same time…but no gum chewing.) It’s during these times where I lay out my case before God. I also journal my prayers when I’m moved to do so.

So what was I convicted about if it was not for a lack of praying?

I was convicted by my tendency to view anything and everything else as the first solution and prayer as a secondary back up plan. When we face a financial challenge or logistical nightmare or personnel problem at Dare 2 Share my first reaction is to take matters into my own hands instead of laying it at His feet.

If we are lacking money to fund Dare 2 Share I tend to get on the phone with donors first (instead of the hotline to heaven.) If we are lacking ideas to expand Dare 2 Share I tend to go away for a time of brainstorming first (instead of storming heaven with my request.) If we are lacking in wisdom on how to solve a problem at Dare 2 Share I tend to go to our internal problem solving people first (instead of the Providential Problem Solver.)

How stupid is that? Forrest Gump stupid. And stupid is as stupid does. And stupid does instead of prays.

I don’t know about you but I’m tired of being dumb and dumber when it comes to my prayer life. It’s not enough to pray often. I must pray first.

“Lord, teach me to go to you first. Help me to realize that ultimately you are the only one who can truly guide and provide. You are the one who works in the hearts of men and women to accomplish your will. You are the fountain source of wisdom, strength, provision and protection. Forgive me for looking to myself and my means first. Forgive me for looking to our donors first. Forgive me for seeking to solve problems that can only be solved with Divine wisdom. Thank you for re-energizing me to pray often, passionately and first.”

Life is like a box of chocolates,

Signed, Greg Stier

14 Comments for 'Pray Forrest! Pray!'

  1. On November 27, 2007 @ 11:39 am Eddie said:
    • Great post. Something I know I also need to work on. Less last resort, more first response.

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  2. On November 27, 2007 @ 4:34 pm Ed said:
    • The other thing that can be hard to remember is to pray with other people for the same things. Ever noticed how God does things when He finds unity of purpose amongst Christians who love Him, and determine together to let him have his way? I’ve been reading through the bible for different takes on this, and I find a general consistency.

      The “Lord’s prayer” is remarkable for the unity that its pronouns confer on the church. We pray together to OUR Father. How can we ask Him to give US this day OUR daily bread (this was a real innovation - the proverb from which Jesus drew the line was singular) if we see people hungry in our church?

      We also have to ask him to forgive US OUR debts as WE forgive OUR debtors. This implies more than individual sin - it’s about corporate failure, and forgiveness.

      Lead US not into temptation and deliver US from evil are the same - it’s about doing things together.

      The same Jesus who said he’d show up “Where two or three are gathered…” also sent his disciples out in little groups. Jesus wanted his house to be called a house of prayer. (Isaiah 56:7; Matthew 21:13)

      In Acts chapter 1, Luke takes the trouble to detail the names of the people present in the upper room. They all *joined together constantly in prayer*, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers. Then Pentecost happened.

      In his first letter to the Corinthians, Paul emphasizes unity, for the sake of effective prayer and evangelism: “I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.” Paul knew that the Spirit changes what the Spirit touches, so he was concerned with unity. The whole thrust of the letter is about getting rid of the bad ways, and moving towards love, which allows unified worship through prophecy and spiritual giftings, which come through praying together for the building up of the church. (The same message appears in Philippians: “make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose.”)

      The writer of the book to the Hebrews admonishes people who were forsaking the meeting. At the meeting this was what he had in mind to happen:
      “Let US then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that WE may receive mercy and find grace to help US in our time of need.”

      In fact, he goes further - talking about all the great old testament heroes of the faith, he wrote:
      “These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. God had planned something better for us so that *only together with us* would they be made perfect.” The unity of faith is made perfect through prayer, across all generations.

      In the Revelation to John, we get the image of the incense:
      “Another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all the saints, on the golden altar before the throne.” Notice that the prayers of the saints are all offered up together.

      In unity, prayer offered in faith is about being made perfect together, and bringing the kingdom to bear on the earth. It is an acknowledgment of the eschatological outworking of God’s plan.

      These are thoughts that, if we take them seriously, always sharpen up prayer meetings.

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  3. On November 27, 2007 @ 5:56 pm Becky said:
    • Very nice post..this is something I know many(I do) struggle with.

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  4. On November 27, 2007 @ 6:06 pm paul said:
    • that’s ‘box of chocolates’ there Greg:)

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  5. On November 27, 2007 @ 6:40 pm Brian said:
    • I read that same book about a year ago, but yet…I still need to be reminded and your post was that reminder. Man…how I (we) struggle in the area of prayer and how quick we are to respond with our own efforts. As always…thanks for sharing Greg.

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  6. On November 27, 2007 @ 8:24 pm Heather said:
    • I have a question about prayer:

      I read in Acts how the early church would spend hours, days even, straight up praying. I never feel like I have enough to stay- I get to the point, ask forgiveness for what I’ve done wrong, thank Him for my blessings, and present my requests and once I’ve said it, I’ve said it. It feels silly to repeat what I’ve just said and making it more wordy seems like I’m trying to impress God with my praying skills. As I type this, it feels like such a strange dilemma to have, but it troubles me. Any thoughts?

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  7. On November 27, 2007 @ 9:36 pm Greg Stier said:
    • Hey Heather,

      Yes, there are seasons of prayer that we can enter into that are longer but this doesn’t necessarily mean repetitive. When we enter those times it’s like extended talks with a friend. Hopefully when you communicate with a friend it’s not redundant and repetitive. I find a way to extend the time of prayer naturally is to combine it with time in the Scriptures. Read, think about it and pray then read some more, maybe journal to God and pray some more. Hope that helps!

      greg

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  8. On November 28, 2007 @ 1:54 pm Suzie Eller said:
    • Great post, Greg. Sometimes I realize that I’m in a place where I’ve talked about God, and about what he can do, but not really gone to him and found exactly what I needed (Matt. 6:8). I’m like you. I talk to God throughout the day. I love reading scripture. I love praise. But there was a time that I went to him automatically and shut myself in until I knew the “next step” or at least felt confident that the next step was in his hands, and not mine.

      Again, great post.

      Suzie Eller, fellow author and minister to amazing teens

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  9. On November 28, 2007 @ 7:50 pm Shane Vander Hart said:
    • I’m guilty of doing this too. That is a great book. I just need to work on being more consistent of my application of it.

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  10. On November 28, 2007 @ 10:02 pm Gary said:
    • That’s wonderful. Sometimes we take what many mistake for scripture, the old american proverb put foreward by Lincoln, “God helps those who help themselves” too seriously. We know that working out our salvation with fear and trembling and showing our faith by our works is very good, very wonderful, but we tend to forget that it is in the presence of God we learn what to do next and how to work out our salvation and faith with fear and trembling. The ten commandments came from God, God’s very word was from Him…all we know in terms of what to do next in our walk with Him comes from Him and that by prayer. But even though praying to find out what to do next is very good, just spending time in His presence because we love Him is greater. Imagine your wife only wants to do things for you, remains in conact with you only enough to learn what to do next. What to clean next, which errands need run next…you would eventually want to talk to her about it. You married her for her, not what she can do for you, but out of her love she serves you and you her. We are Christ’s wife, His bride and as a loving bride, we should want to spend time with Him because we love Him…in that He wiil be most pleased with us and out of that our serviceto Him will become far greater…as well as the resources and inspiration we need to serve Him. I don’t know about you, but as a guy, I have no problem saying…I want to be a very pretty bride.
      Blessings Greg.

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  11. On November 29, 2007 @ 9:22 am alaskanspear said:
    • Greg,

      Our youth group began singing a new song from Hillsong called Mighty to Save. This song is so powerful and awesome, that I wanted to share this with you. Our youth group has attended the Dare to Share conferences in Columbus, OH, and yes we were one of the many who participated in the rolling heaters last year. But our students always talk about the drama and the worship on Friday night, and how powerful both are together. I don’t know what you have planned for the upcoming conference when it comes to music, especially with Lincoln Brewster, who I love as a worship leader and singer/songwriter. Working at a Christian Radio Station (CDR Radio The Path) and listening to his music will make you want to sing right along. I would just ask you to consider this song as one that I believe is powerful for youth to sing and listen to the words, especially on Friday Night.
      Here are those words:

      Everyone needs compassion
      A love that’s never failing
      Let mercy fall on me
      Everyone needs forgiveness
      A kindness of a Savior
      The hope of nations

      My Savior
      He can move the mountains
      My God is Mighty to save
      He is Mighty to save
      Forever
      Author of salvation
      He rose and conquered the grave
      Jesus conquered the grave

      So take me as You find me
      All my fears and failures
      Fill my life again
      I give my life to follow
      Everything I believe in
      Now I surrender

      Shine your light and let the whole world see
      We’re singing for the glory of the risen King…Jesus

      Thanks for your ministry, Dare to Share, and taking the time to read this post.

      Keith

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  12. On November 29, 2007 @ 3:37 pm Dan Ellsworth said:
    • Hey, Add that book to your “reading now” list if you can, so its a quick link for all of us, if we want to buy it.

      Rock on, and eat shrimp soup!

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