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My post on Muslims…a reconsideration

Posted on Saturday 15 September 2007 by Greg @ 8:35 am
Filed under: Rants

I wish I wouldn’t have written my previous post. Is it because I think I was taking the verses of the Qur’an out of context? No. History and the Qur’an show that I didn’t. Is it because I don’t like negative feedback? No. I actually like to stir it up and engage others who want to battle it out a bit.

But ever since I wrote the article I’ve had a little check in my spirit. Just this morning I began to figure out what that internal check is all about. For the last few years we have been making a concerted move to focus on the power of the gospel more than the power of apologetics. We have been trying to take a more positive approach in sharing Jesus than just trying to show where other belief systems faulter. I think the GOSPEL Journey Reality Series was the culmination of this philosophy of evangelism. I emphasized to the teenagers who participated in this reality series that my goal was to paint a picture that they could accept or reject. I also told them that I would accept them no matter how they responded to the gospel message I was sharing with them.

In my little Dare 2 Share book we have a whole section about what 14 of religions and belief systems hold on to when it comes to their spiritual views. The goal of sharing all these facts is not to find out where "they’re wrong" and "we’re right" but to gain common ground, find areas you can complement them on and understand the basics of what they believe.

Do I believe in apologetics? Yes! God made us not just relational but rational. We appeal to the rational when we get people to think and consider the validity of the Bible and the possibility they could be wrong in their views.

I also believe that we are relational. As people we get our feelings hurt when we feel attacked and our defenses go down when we feel loved. In other words, I believe that the biggest apologetic we have when sharing the gospel is our love for others. My last post didn’t have a whole lot of love.

Let me sum it up with a phrase from my grandpa, "You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar." While I stand by the purity of the vinegar (i.e. the facts) of my last post the last thing I would want to see someone do is use that vinegar to try to "reach out" to a Muslim.

No, I’d rather they use the honey of God’s love shared in a gentle and humble way. I’m reminded of the words of Paul in 2 Timothy 2:23-26,

"Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will."

Hmmmm. That last post wasn’t very Pauline of me. My goal should be to gently instruct (the rational part of evangelizing) and be kind to everyone as I speak the truth (the relational part of evangelizing).

I guess the check in my spirit came when I started imagining an internet surfing Muslim stumbling across my post. The last thing in the world I would want to do is needlessly offend a Muslim with my rant and harden his or her heart to Jesus…all because I read a book on Islam that got me fired up. The second to the last thing I would want to do is give a Christian teenager the idea that the way you witness to a Muslim is by bashing their founder.

So, while I stand by the facts of what I shared in the last post I apologize for writing it. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not afraid to speak the truth. I’ll continue to do it. But I want to speak the truth in love.

Please pray for me as I learn to do so more and more.

Signed, Greg Stier

21 Comments for 'My post on Muslims…a reconsideration'

  1. On September 15, 2007 @ 9:30 am Becky said:
    • Wow Greg.I forgive you.

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  2. On September 15, 2007 @ 2:26 pm Heather said:
    • Right on Greg! I learned that lesson this past year when I did the exact same thing with Catholicism and one of my good friends. She forgave me, but it put some scars in our friendship and now we don’t relate to each other in the same way, and we aren’t near as close as we once were. I guess we sometimes just learn by mistake and have some pain during a spiritual growth spurt. PS-my youthgroup is forming an e-team that is about to go wide and rock our community with Jesus, and we’re all really excited, so please keep us in your prayers. :)

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  3. On September 15, 2007 @ 2:37 pm BigDaddy said:
    • Interesting. Greg you are a good man and faithful Christ follower. I call you brethren. Your mettle is of fine grade! I too read a recent article in "news week" and questioned a comment that said it "was dangerous"  for America to not embrace the younger generation of Islamic believers.  Why is it dangerous?…  It’s dangerous to cross the street without looking, or play with matches and dynamite. It sounds like the danger is from the human condition of pride and hate, not from talking openly about our beliefs in an attempt find the peace Jesus came to give. I find it interesting that Jesus healed a man by the water before the man knew who was behind him. Let me say that again, Jesus healed someone who had not yet believed and known Jesus! Have you prayed for the sick lately or asked God to give you scriptural wisdom when it comes to confronting "other" religions? Weak theology does not change God’s Holy Word! Relative beliefs are for the birds. I want to hear "well done" as much as the next person, but I know I can also hear "I never knew you" just as easily. How does it go? The Truth hurts. I think it is very wonderful that Greg has remembered to add "in love" to this great teaching of Truth. Did that come out right?                        Somewhere on the road…..Big Daddy

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  4. On September 15, 2007 @ 2:46 pm masterjedidan said:
    • Hey Greg, nice post.  I appreciate the fact that you can admit that you mess up sometimes.  It happens to all of us.  Thanks for remembering that Jesus told us to love our enemies at all times, instead of hating them.

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  5. On September 15, 2007 @ 9:16 pm Truman said:
    • Nice follow-up, Greg! Beautifully said.

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  6. On September 16, 2007 @ 12:26 pm Sam Hunley said:
    • God creeps me out sometimes, your previous post and your follow up pos fit perfectly into what we were discussing in Sunday school today. Wow, God rocks.  As for the two post, yea i do the exact same thing, as we all do i guess. i havent done mine out loud yet though. but im sure i will eventually

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  7. On September 16, 2007 @ 6:29 pm Julie E. said:
    • Mr. Stier, I need your help, or someone’s help soon. Look I am about at the very edge of everything. Recently, I have felt nothing between God and I. I don’t know where to turn, and I don’t know where to go. I am just fed up with everything in life. Ever since my sister ran away my family thinks that I will do the same thing as her. So, my parents are holding me back from basically everything. I just don’t understand why God isn’t doing anything, or if He is, why I can’t see it. I need some guidence to help me get back on track before I loose it. Please help me.

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  8. On September 17, 2007 @ 7:09 am Greg Stier said:
    • Hey Julie, I’m going to refer you to my buddy lane palmer. He is one of my good friends on staff here at Dare 2 Share and has been a counsellor and youth pastor. You can e-mail him at lane@dare2share.org. I will pray for you and I’m sorry about what you are feeling and going through right now.

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  9. On September 17, 2007 @ 8:19 am Neva said:
    • Julie, Sometimes we don’t always understand why the circumstances around us are happening. But please know they are circumstances and they will change. If you are looking for hope I know where you can find it. God’s Word (bible). Let me warn you that Satan seeks to kill, steal, and destroy. My guess is you  must be pretty precious to God for Satan to seek you out and fill you with hopelessness. Know that God hears your cry, He is near to the broken hearted. His arms are outstretched and just hang on because He has not let go of you. He is right there with you, and although you may not be able to feel Him, He is there.

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  10. On September 17, 2007 @ 10:23 am ramsey said:
    • Greg, as a former police officer, I understand precisely what it is you are speaking of.  I aplaude you for the apology.  I am a christian and was saved in 1990 in the deasert of Saudi Arabia. this happened just two short weeks before my unit pushed into Iraq during Operation deasert storm.  Sence that time, I to hed to come to the realization that sometimes the truth hurts, and we as christians should infact spread the truth, but must do so in Gods Love, and guidence.  my prayer is for continued guidence and success with your ministry. 

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  11. On September 17, 2007 @ 10:26 am ramsey said:
    • I forgot, the youth group with which I work, are looking forward to Survive. 

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  12. On September 17, 2007 @ 6:37 pm Julie E. said:
    • Hey, things are better now. Last night, after typing what I did, I read a devotional. I didn’t really expect it to do much for me, but I think God was trying to speak to me. It talked about how I can pray to God any time. At school, during a volleyball game, at home, during lunch, even when I am brushing my teeth. Then after that I listened to the song While You Were Sleeping by Casting Crowns. It really spoke to me…I want to be ready for Christ. I want to continue to live my life for Him, only fully for Him this time. God has reminded me over and over in the past day that I can talk to Him freely, and He will listen. Thanks for listening to me.

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  13. On September 18, 2007 @ 4:46 am Mary said:
    • Greg, I am a volunteer youth leader at my church for the past few years and one of the biggest issues we face is what is the difference between all these religions and in particular muslim and hinduism.   I was blessed to bring an 8th student in our neighborhood to youth group & church last year & she was saved & has been on fire for God since!  Her dad (parents are divorced) is a muslim and it is heavy on her heart to understand the difference and try to help her dad in this area.  Just recently she had the chance to sit with him & some of his friends (that also call themselves muslim) and just ask questions - by the end of the conversation her dad & his friends had said that they felt the muslim religion was based in hate and that it was wrong.  By just asking honest and sincere questions (in love) she was able to help them reflect with being on the defense and I believe God revealed to them some truths about their religion that will be swimming around in the minds for a long time to come!  Better yet, it may just be the opening this student has been waiting for to help lead her dad to Christ!  Jesus set the example by asking questions to reveal truth in his ministry and by following his example she was able to help them see some truths in their own hearts & beliefs.  How amazing is God!  All that to say…our students need and desire information about these different religions so keep on informing, but like you said - in love! 

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  14. On September 18, 2007 @ 5:11 am Mary said:
    • In the above statement - it should have said it helped them reflect withOUT being on the defensive.  Sorry.

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  15. On September 18, 2007 @ 1:29 pm Steve said:
    • Greg, Just got my new Answers Magazine, saw your article in there. Great Job! Steve 

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  16. On September 20, 2007 @ 4:52 pm Shane Vander Hart said:
    • Thanks for your transperancy Greg!

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  17. On September 21, 2007 @ 5:27 am Will Bratina said:
    • Hey, Greg.  I was a little uncomfortable with the post even though I agreed with you 100%.  I didn’t put much more thought into it after.   I left for a business conference in Salt Lake City Sunday past and got home Thursday morning. My roommate snored like a train and about 4:00 am on  Tuesday morning I left the room and the word "earplugs" was branded on my brain.  I asked the night clerk if she might have some earplugs and she referred me to the concierge.  The woman, Merry, at the concierge desk was awesome!  She called the hotel engineer and asked if he had any earplugs, which he did.  She then requested him to bring a pair to the lobby for me.  While we were waiting for him to arrive, I asked her about the organ recitals I had heard about at the Temple and she walked with me to the advertising stand and presented me a brochure with recital days and times.  I asked her what the population percentage in Salt Lake is LDS, and she answered,"Oh, about 40%."  Just then the engineer brought the earplugs and gave them to Merry.  As she handed them to me I asked her about fishing in the area (man, I LOVE to flip a fly!) and she responded that she had never been fishing in her life.  She has two boys who have never been fishing either, but her husband had been to Alaska where he had caught salmon with special gloves and loved it.  She said she would have the next shift concierge get me some information on the local fishing……that’s when our Poking, Prodding Holy Spirit Poked and Prodded me.  He Burned through me to ask Merry if I could ask her one more question, to which she said, "Yes."  He asked her, "Do you know you’re going to Heaven when you leave this place?"  And she answered, "Well, I hope so."  "What is your hope based on, Merry?"  Well, I’m LDS, but there are days that I’m not so sure I’m doing well enough."  we had a 10 minute conversation, Greg.  She cleared some misconceptions I had about LDS, and I told her of the Impossible Love of Jesus Christ for her and her family.  I said my thank you and went back to my room.  Jesus wasn’t done yet.  He burned on my heart to give her one of the Bibles I carry with me and all the cash I had as a Peace Offering from Him.  I went back to the lobby and Merry was at the desk with her co-worker.  I asked her if I could speak with her alone and she led me to an area much less traveled than the increasingly busy lobby.  I said that Jesus had insructed me to  purchase this Bible for Merry and her family long before I knew her.  It is a Gift from Him of His Everlasting Love for her and her family.  As I inscribed the names of her family she shared that they were going through a difficult time and how much all this meant to her.  I asked her if I could pray for her and she said yes. As I knelt before her and lifted Merry and her family and me and my family up in prayer, I begged our God to open our families’ eyes to His Truth.  I asked Merry to consider the passage God had instructed me to mark with the money and pray about it.  John 14:6.  God’s point in all this is clear to me, Greg.  15 years ago I wouldn’t have even thought about sharing my faith with this beautiful child of God.  In fact I probably would have fantasized about being with her.  10 years ago I didn’t know how to share the Faith that freed me!  5 years ago I would have argued with her about "I am right and you are wrong."  He Amazes me!  And I wouldn’t be where I am in my walk with Jesus Christ without you in your walk with Him, Greg!  Jesus Christ through you taught me to share His Gospel.  Jesus Christ through you showed me that His is a Gospel of Love and Community in Him.  May Jesus Christ continue to Bless you and use you to further His Kingdom, Greg!  He has used you to Expand His Kingdom in me and through me.  Glory and Thanks to Jesus Christ for my brother, Greg Stier.

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  18. On September 21, 2007 @ 3:21 pm Greg said:
    • Wow Will (blush) thanks for the story and the encouragement. We’re all learning together how to share our faith with gentleness and respect!

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  19. On September 21, 2007 @ 9:39 pm Rachael said:
    • Wow that is truely amazing! Will your story is deffinantly an insperation! I have a hard time sharing my faith and stuff. Especially when it comes to the talking part.(yea I know thats the whole part) I have been working on getting out of what my pastor calls my "comfort zone." God really helped me on that on my last mission trip i took to Italy. I had to share my testimoney, which I have never done in front of people, let alone abunch of kids kinda sorta around my age. I was just so afraid I would mess up. I even had it all written out, but when it came to be my turn I didn’t use the one I had written out! I pretty much just winged it. Apparently I did really well. I was quite proud of myself and thanked God for his love and for helping me. I have a real hard time in emersing myself in a new inviorment. and making new friends. For some reason I am always afraid they wont like me or something weird like that. I am most deffinantly afraid they will laugh at me for something I did. But they never do, of course. But recently I pretty much tryed to ignore that fear. and I have really been outgoing, or at least trying to be. But I would like for ya’ll to pray for me really push that fear away. I know it is the work of satan just trying to distract me from doing God’s mission for me. I want to thank you Will for that encouragin story I was really inspired!

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  20. On September 22, 2007 @ 7:07 am Brian said:
    • Respect your time of reflection and seeing the tension between truth and grace. We need both. Thanks for the allowing us to wrestle this one with you through your post.

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  21. On September 27, 2007 @ 7:28 pm Will Bratina said:
    • Hey, Rachael.  Thank you for the kind words, my sister.  The best advice I can give you is keep DESPERATELY seeking Him and Jesus will Rain His Crazy Love On you, and On others through you!  I don’t know how He does.  I just know HE DOES!!

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