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Gone in 60 seconds (or my one minute of fame on television)

Posted on Thursday 11 October 2007 by Greg @ 9:11 am
Filed under: Rants

Wow! It’s a good thing I talk fast. I got about 60 seconds of face time on a 60 minute show (The Mike and Juliet Show). Although they incorrectly introduced me as a “Use Halo 3 in your church advocate” I quickly clarifed that “while we at Dare 2 Share are NOT endorsing the product, we ARE endorsing the conversation!”

For a few minutes more of more intense dialogue on this (where I actually got to say something for more than a minute) check out http://www.mandjshow.com/category/features/inside-the-greenroom/

Whether we like it or not many of our teens are playing Halo 3 in our communities. So we can eschew it as the game of the devil or we can bring it up as a topic of conversation. In other words instead of demonizing culture why don’t we demonize demons (who use culture to destroy our kids) and seize culturally relevant conversations (i.e. Halo 3) to bring God up.

Did you know that the character you play in Halo 3 is Master Chief John 117? Do you know what John 1:17 says, “The law came through Moses but grace and peace came through Jesus Christ.” Do you think that this messianic figure named after a messianic passage is accidental? NO!

Again I’m not saying for you to run out, get Halo 3 and use it as an outreach tool. After all it is rated “M” for mature. So ultimately it is a mom and dad decision more than a youth leader’s sole call. What I am saying is that all of us should run out and bring the gospel up with teenagers using Halo 3 and Master Chief John 117 as our opening line.

Thoreau said, “For every hundred hacking at the leaves of evil one hacks at the root.” Fighting against violent video games is at best hacking at the leaves of evil. Only a personal relationship with Jesus can ultimately and truly hack at the root.

Who knows? When you take that step of faith and begin the conversation you may reach the next game playing, trenchcoat wearing, gun toting Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold with the gospel of Jesus before they do something like what happened yesterday in Cleveland and eight years ago at Columbine. We don’t have to worship the idols to quote the pagans. In Acts 17 Paul quoted the pagan poet and used the Greek’s wicked idolatry as his opening, common ground line as he shared the gospel story with the men of Athens.

Sometimes we need to quote the pagan poets to reach the pagans. Again, that doesn’t mean we compromise our personal convictions and cross the line the Holy Spirit has set in our hearts. But at the very minimum we need to get familiar with the game. How can you do that without picking up a virtual gun? Check out the Soul Fuel and Culture Commission articles that my compadre, Lane Palmer, wrote on it at www.dare2share.org.

P.S. Why not a controversy about Kickball in church? That game left me scarred physically and emotionally as I was always the first “taken out” and almost always with a headshot (double points!!)

Signed, Greg Stier

13 Comments for 'Gone in 60 seconds (or my one minute of fame on television)'

  1. On October 11, 2007 @ 10:59 am Tony Martinez said:
    • Greg,

      We are all holding you up in our prayers as you continue to stay true to what matters the most-continuing to find the best way to get the gospel to the lost. Can’t wait to see you at Survive in D.C.! Thanks for keeping your Christianity both real and relevant.

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  2. On October 11, 2007 @ 2:40 pm Janna - Laurel UMC Montana said:
    • Praying for you Greg — hoping for a great response! Can’t get the video to load on my computer…I am sure you did fantastic!

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  3. On October 11, 2007 @ 3:47 pm Truman said:
    • Well stated here, Greg. And I like the H.D. Thoreau quote.

      Along similar lines, I talk with my nephew — the biggest reason why I’m a crazy adult volunteer in youth ministry — about pop culture and films a lot. Instead of shunning them as “eeeeeevil” (as Grandpa Simpson would say) I use them as examples. We’d had some fascinating ones about Harry Potter and good & evil, which one time even weirdly segued into a debate on evolution vs the Bible.

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  4. On October 11, 2007 @ 6:41 pm Becky said:
    • Your funny but real.

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  5. On October 12, 2007 @ 12:34 pm RJRush said:
    • Greg, I think you did a great job presenting your point, and I agree with you wholeheartedly. The Soul Fuel topics and information are timely and clever. I always find the information D2S shares helps me to think about current topics differently. This helps me as a volunteer youth leader when discussing topics with our kids.

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  6. On October 13, 2007 @ 12:53 pm Ed said:
    • Kickball. Were you Greg “Oh I suppose we’ll have to have him” Stier when they were picking in school?

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  7. On October 14, 2007 @ 3:42 am Big Daddy said:
    • It was too bad the “pastor in purple” did not use some biblical references to support his stance. I would like some scriptural guidance before I can really “choose sides” if you will. This is a hard subject to broach, but well done Greg. Way to keep the focus on the Message, it all has to point to God. And I cant help but be reminded that Paul used this very tactic to reach out to the “pagans” of his own time. It is absolutely not about promoting of Halo and absolutely about how to win students for the kingdom and give the Christian students the courage and avenue to “engage” and “bring it up”!

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  8. On October 15, 2007 @ 4:51 pm Janna - Laurel UMC Montana said:
    • Got the video to run today! Thank goodness I did!
      I just wanted to hear more of what your reaction was to Reverend Simpson’s take on Halo 3. Obviously, I heard what he had to say in a short couple of minutes, but just the fact that this man of God used the word “capitulation” (which I had to Google to find the meaning) is precisely why youth and teens are struggling to come to their ministers with this kind of discussion. I am struggling with connecting my youth with the pastor at our church because he communicates in a different language than most of my youth.
      That’s really the point of this whole discussion! We have to reach the youth in a language they understand and if we can do so by digging into popular culture (movies, music & video games) than that is what we MUST do. I cannot come at a non-christian youth in my area with a cross and yell “REPENT of your sins or you are going to die!” but if I can engage in a discussion with them through the reality and the non-reality of death (bring on the Halo 3)…then that is what I am going to do.
      Okay…your turn Greg. I am interested to hear a little more of what you would say to people like Reverend Simpson.

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  9. On October 15, 2007 @ 5:46 pm Greg said:
    • I would not recommend Halo 3 in the church for the sole reason that it is rated M for mature. But I think Reverend Simpson is off base becuase it is easier to blame the perils of society on a game (or a rock song, or a movie or whatever)than the real problem…a spiritual abyss in their souls. I don’t think most kids come into church because they want to play some game. Most come in because of relationships and because they are looking for some kind of meaning. We can use the Halo 3 conversation to connect them with the message of Jesus. I don’t judge the churches that use Halo 3 (the game) as an outreach. It seems to be one of those “meat sacrificed to idols” type of situations in Romans 14. But personally if I were a youth leader I don’t think I’d do it. But what I would do is engage the subject with teenagers. I’d find as many connection points with the gospel as I could. I think “those types of teenagers” would come to church for a healthy, vigorous discussion over Halo 3. They can play the game at home and have the discussion at church.

      By the way, the Bible is a very violent book. From Cain and Abel on there is a lot of bloodshed in Scripture. It ends with Jesus coming back and stomping the grapes of wrath himself with the blood of a rebellious humanity, before he establishes everything new. I guess if the Bible were a video game it would be rated “A” for adults only.

      I think Rev. Simpson is a good, well meaning guy who is sincerely concerned about violence in video games. My big thing is to stop “hacking at the leaves of evil” to take a swipe at the root. If we don’t bring it up with our teens we are missing the point big time!

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  10. On October 16, 2007 @ 10:57 am Janna - Laurel UMC Montana said:
    • The Bible is violent? That’s news to me (wink-wink)! I guess I am going to have to take my Bible out next week and put a giant “M” on it for Mature. Putting an “A” on it reminds me a little too much of the Scarlet Letter and I am sure there is copywriting for that somewhere…

      I like the phrase “spiritual abyss” because it seems like the teenagers I am working are constantly trying to fill that abyss with ___Fill_in_the_blank___. Like empty carbohydrates they just keep cramming all of these non-filling things into a God shaped hole.

      The problem I am finding is that I can’t just tell my youth that those empty things are a complete waste of time. 1) They view that statement as a sign of disrespect and ignorance. 2) They would look me dead in the face and tell me I don’t understand them.
      I have seen that look before. That is the look that the youth in my community give to people like Rev. Simpson when they say things like “Halo 3″ is from the devil (yes, I have actually heard that said to a youth). That look says “Dear man, you have no clue what it’s like to live in our world and you don’t understand our ways and our language.”

      So, I resolve to find ways to use their technology and their language to reach them. Now, I am only 25 years old, so there is still a small enough gap between my generation and theirs. However, I am not a personal advocate for Halo 3 because any violence (whether digital or not) goes against my belief in peaceful resolution through discussion and prayer. However, if I can share my faith by using topic of Halo 3 to get to the core of my teenagers, I am going to bring it up.

      Thanks Greg. Sometimes I feel like I am in the deep jungle “hacking away at the leaves of evil” and this has caused me to stop and think about how I am going to start taking swipes at the roots.

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  11. On November 2, 2007 @ 12:38 pm Skateboards, Paint ball, and God « 5 loaves, 2 fish….did someone say Fish? said:
    • […] ministry promos..ooops how did that get on there?) I may even have a couch area with one of those controversial video games available to play.  And since there is no youth retail in this town AT ALL, I will not just fill a […]

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  12. On May 24, 2008 @ 1:42 pm A. Kraemer said:
    • Have you ever even played Halo 3? Have you read the books? Because if you have, you completely misinterpreted everything about it. If you even took a cursory look at the story of the Halo series you’d find out that the Master Chief is fighting against a violent, fundamentalist theocratic conglomeration of different alien races. Fundamentalist religion, in short, is the enemy. And you say that you should use Halo as an outreach tool? You are one of the biggest morons on the internet. The fact is, Christianity is being pushed out in many areas by other religions, or more local, secular based approaches to spirituallity. You, my friend, are a dying breed. So have fun over the next several decades as your stupid out-modded religion is reagated to a more and more marginal status.

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  13. On May 25, 2008 @ 6:17 pm Greg said:
    • Thanks for the encouragment A. Kraemer.

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